Bro Talk | The Sunny-Side-Up Podcast : Full Episode 4

In this lively episode, Sunny and I share laughs over our mutual love-hate relationship with Teslas, a few epic dad jokes, and the trials of balancing college and work. It’s a freewheeling conversation that veers from automotive rants to the quirks of modern dating and even our ongoing hockey battles. We also chat about the current state of social media and our thoughts on starting a podcast.

What we dive into:

• The ups and downs of Tesla ownership (and why I’m not sold)
• Why Sunny’s dating strategy has… evolved
• College, careers, and keeping things balanced
• Our hockey “rivalry” and a few choice plays we won’t forget
• The pitfalls of modern social media and our podcasting dreams

Full Transcript

_{Sunishth Chawla: Welcome, everybody to another episode of Bro Talk. I'm your co-host, Sunishth Chawla, or Sunny, and I have with me the other co-host, Dylan Ogline. How are you doing?}

_{Dylan Ogline: I'm good. Man, I didn't realize I was the co-host.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: We're co-hosts. We're partners.}

_{Dylan Ogline: We need to come up to, like. We need to decide what this is. It's just... Is it my show? And, like.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It's our show.}

_{Dylan Ogline: It's our show. It's our show. Okay. We're gonna get comfortable with some dad jokes. Oh, it's not. It's not my glasses. What's going on? You want to start with the dad jokes?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'll start with a dad joke.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Okay, now we're doing the whole, like, not laughing challenge, right? Because your face is going to fuck me up like it did last time.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Your face always fucks me up.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Okay, here we go.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: My wife just completed a 40 week bodybuilding program this morning. It's a baby girl and weighs 7 pounds and 12oz.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That was okay.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Your turn.}

_{Dylan Ogline: What do you call a Punjabi guy stuck in the middle of the ocean?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: What?}

_{Dylan Ogline: I'm in deep trouble.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That was good. That was good.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You kind of laughed. Tasteful.  That was hit close to home.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah, I know that's what that was the goal.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Dad jokes are a lot like sex. The latter you grown the better job I'm doing.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That was okay. You can do better.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'm saving the best one for you.}

_{Dylan Ogline: They better get better here. All right. This one's gonna get me canceled. You already lost.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No I just made a sound I didn't laugh.}

_{Dylan Ogline: What do you call a gender neutral person who is lactose intolerant.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: What?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Non-bidary.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Damn it. That's a 1 to 1.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Oh, Lord, you had three. That was your last one.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That was my second.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That was your second.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That was my second.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That was your third.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That was my second. My first one was the Punjabi guy.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Cuz I started first.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah. We got four, right?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That's good.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So I'll save the best one for last. But I'm reading a horror story in Braille. Something bed’s gonna happen. I could just feel it.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I knew where I was going. Damn it.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Too good.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That was good. That was good. You know where it's going. But that was good. Did I ever tell you about that girl I once dated who only had nine toes? I mean, she was... She was lovely. It was great, but I had to break it off with her. Turns out I'm lactose intolerant.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You already used one lactose intolerance.}

_{Dylan Ogline: No. Come on. That was good. Wow. That was, like, my best. You got four, right?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: This is my last one right here.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Okay.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I started a support group for people with erectile dysfunction. It was a total flop, and nobody came.}

_{Dylan Ogline: The delivery was bad. Oh, man. I'm crying. This one's going to be pretty basic, but what did Newton think when he discovered gravity? Shit is about to go down.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That was a good one.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You like that? Yeah. You like that? I didn't get a reaction out of you, though.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You didn't.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Straight faced. You got one more?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, that was it. That was that. Was it? Okay. Do you have another one? Please go ahead.}

_{Dylan Ogline: No, I do have one more. Go for it. Okay. I hired a handyman and gave him a to do list recently, but he ended up only doing jobs one, three, and five. I guess he only does odd jobs.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That was so stupid. It was funny. This always happens. I love it.  Love it, man. Well, it's been such a long time since we've done a podcast episode. I mean, I've gone to Michigan a couple times since then. I feel like.}

_{Dylan Ogline: We haven't caught up at all since the last episode, which was, what, last October or something?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah. Wow.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah, man, it's been too long. I mean, other than just a little bit for hockey. That's crazy. We haven't really caught up at all.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You tell me what's been going on in your life.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Work. I'm getting old. I'm falling apart. Creaking knees hurt. Wrists are hurt. I wonder...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Why the wrists are hurting.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah. A lot of lonely nights by myself. Yeah. Broke my... I had a fracture in my left hand. Both knees are bad, I can't breathe. It's been a shit year, man. And it's 2023. It's supposed to be a good year. Jeez. Other than that, man, you know, life. Life is okay. I still got my dogs. I got them my mom's doing good. Good. And this is depression episode with Dylan and Sunny.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Jeez. I mean...}

_{Dylan Ogline: How about you, man? What's going on? How was We haven't really talked about Michigan. Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: We haven't. So life's been getting a little better for me school is kind of in its hardest stages right now with I'm taking solid mechanics. Solid mechanics? Fluid mechanics. What else am I taking? Intro to CAD design and intro or Principles of Electrical engineering. So these are all things like words that are probably too big for you to understand. It's okay.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I'm in freshman comp two right now.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Oh, haha. That's funny. That is funny. I took that four years ago. Yeah. So how are you doing in that class?}

_{Dylan Ogline: I'm actually killing it. It's actually...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I hope you're writing those essays with ChatGPT.}

_{Dylan Ogline: No, no.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Wow. You could be saving a lot more time doing some physical therapy instead of writing essays.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I actually, I like to write, I enjoy writing. That's the thing with my agency that I like the most is writing ads, but we are using ChatGPT for that. But I do like to write. Okay. That's fair. I know you use it a lot for... So tell me about your classes.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Like what's. Yeah. So I mean solid mechanics is really just like it's testing different loads. You know, a lot about loads, but these are actually static loads. So what happens is like there's beams, there's different tables, for example. You take this table, we get the dimensions of it, we get the material of it. And let's say, for example, I don't know, we put a 50 pound weight on here. Where is its breaking point? Where is the weakest point of the table? That's what we test with solid mechanics. Fluid mechanics is that but with like different viscosity fluids. So it's like the heating point of oil or how like thin you're getting off on.}

_{Dylan Ogline: How smart you sound right now, don't you?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Not really. I mean, this is all just, like, handyman stuff. Just doing odd jobs.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Doing odd jobs.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah, I know about this stuff. Because, like, when I change the oil in my car because I drive an internal combustion engine vehicle, unlike someone here.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I haven't told you about my Tesla bullshit.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Your Tesla rant, aren't you?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Okay, listen, I love electric. We gotta get back to your school, but I love electric it for 90% of people. It's absolutely perfect. I'm so pissed about the quality control of my Tesla. I've had it in for service like nine times.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I told you this.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I don't remember you telling me this at all.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I told you about this, like the first podcast episode when I dressed up like. Yeah, you know, very fancy.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You looked good.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah, yeah, with the with the beard. Longer than you know. You know what was it really longer. Very. Oh, yeah. I watched the episode yesterday.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You do look a lot younger now.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Okay. And I actually have a haircut on Wednesday, so it's going to look even younger. I caught the mullet off to like.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I missed that.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: [cross talk] Changed, man.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You are. Yeah. So this new girl. But tell me more about this. So we got that... That's the most we have so much to cover man. There's a lot.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So school is just school. It's just a lot. It's a lot more the foundational engineering classes rather than just the bullshit like math and science and stuff. I this semester and next semester are going to be my hardest. Ucf is just a shit show because professors aren't good. Class sizes are getting bigger and bigger. They overenrolled by 5000 kids, by the way, so finding a parking spot is damn near...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Like maybe it's the shortage of teachers because they're all leaving the Nazi...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It's both. We're just highlighting what we're going to talk about.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yes. And we're just going... The fascist hellscape that Florida is becoming.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah. And then other than that, just apart from school, because that takes up most of my time. A few people know it. The shirt says it itself. I intern for GM. So I'm a manufacturing engineer there. So basically what that means is I'm a mechanical engineer by school, but by profession, I'm a manufacturing engineer where all the processes from dropping all the supplies or like the supplier's stock, all the items that go on the car into the docks all the way to the operators, putting them on the actual vehicle. That whole process is conducted by people like me. So we have to find more efficient ways using automation because as you might know, the UAW strike is happening right now, and GM is getting hit really badly because of it.}

_{Dylan Ogline: It's production totally stopped. Should be.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: In 1 in 1 of the plants. It is because they have like walkouts. They had walk outs for three different plants throughout the three companies of the big three in Detroit. Gm specifically, it was Wentzville plant, so they produced the mid-size truck. Their production stopped because all the workers just decided to walk out and say, you know, you're not paying us enough. Good. You know. Yeah, it's a multi-billion dollar company, so I don't have much to say because I don't focus on.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You can't talk about that.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So I actually have to focus on automation, which is...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Replacing.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Replacing them. But it's not what I like. I can't talk about what I worked on, so to speak, but at the same time, the automation that I'm doing is not coherent with. It's not like hand in hand with what the operators are doing. It's just a lack of efficiency that I'm working on. So for the for the most part, that's pretty much what I do over at GM. I get to go to Michigan. You know, it's the same weather as down here, so it kind of sucks. But other than that, just a lot of self-growth to myself. I'm in a dorm room all by myself. Just kind of just thinking about things. So other than that, that's pretty much been that part. And then the third thing that I'm focusing on is just growing travel media. I hit 500 followers yesterday. Nice. So I might have to hit you up.}

_{Dylan Ogline: We haven't talked about business at all.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: We haven't, we haven't.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So there's so much to catch up on.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: There is a lot. Yep. But I'm actually working on the. I've kind of focused on the niche since the last time we talked about it, where I'm taking a full send on car photography and stuff. It's been very slow recently, but with the growth of social media, which is another thing we'll talk about with like creating your own social media thing a lot of people are looking into Instagram Reels, TikTok, stuff like that. So they want those flashy videos that everybody's like, oh, I want this. So it grabs more attention and people can jerk off to my car like, that's all it is. So I've got people...}

_{Dylan Ogline: [cross talk] Jerk off to my car.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: There's too many of your car. What are they gonna jerk off to? The panel gaps?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Wow.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: The door handles not working?}

_{Dylan Ogline: The door handles work.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Barely.}

_{Dylan Ogline: The creaks make sounds. Exactly. Lots of them. Yeah. Okay, so.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Point proven. My Accord's at 75,616 miles. And because of the...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Who knows that?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Because I looked at it today. Sorry. I have actually have a speedometer and a gauge cluster in front of me. I'm like you with the fucking iPad.}

_{Dylan Ogline: The first time [cross talk] when I had to find the mileage the first time for like, insurance or whatever, I was like, where the hell do I go? And I'm like, okay, it's like five prompts in. Yeah, exactly. But who needs to know their mileage?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: People who care about their car. I mean, you don't have any oil changes that are needed, but when you have to go into the Tesla, you know, center, center and tell them, okay, well, how old is this door handle? Oh, it's a 6000.}

_{Dylan Ogline: And they can instantly pull it up on the computer.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Of course. Because it's just iPad to iPad. You ever Airdrop a picture from your Mac to your phone? All the time. That's all they have to do. Yeah. So at the end of the day, Tesla I got into this before. But Tesla is not a vehicle company. They are a data collection company.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Okay.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: They basically. I don't know if you know, but like, all the people that they've sold their cars to, they don't track them per se. But people, the more you drive your Tesla, the more it maps out, like next year’s maps for you. So like if you're in a neighborhood that just got built two months ago, you driving your Tesla around is mapping it for them. Yeah. That's good. So it is...}

_{Dylan Ogline: More manufacturers are going to get into that. Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: But at the same time like that means that your main product that you're selling aka the Teslas, they're not going to be that good. And you know why they're not that good.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Why?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Because they focus too much on automation. And the plant. There is not a single like worker that is putting on these things on the car. It's all robots. So if you're off by 0.0001%, it pushes the rest of the car away. And that's why you've got a gap that you could probably stick your dick in.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I actually don't have any gaps.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Really?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah. Which I was surprised about. I know that that was a huge problem, but I've had a lot of, like I said, like 8 or 9 service appointments. I've had to take it in for various sounds and stuff like that. I'll never buy one.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You know what you should do? You should sell it. And you should get either an Audi A5 or you should get a Dodge Ram 1500 diesel.}

_{Dylan Ogline: With a trailer.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Sound familiar?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: There you go.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I keep thinking about trading it out and getting with what's going on in Florida, man. I keep that every day. I'm thinking about selling my house, trading in the car, getting a ram, getting a truck, getting a fifth wheel. That's it. And just traveling around the country. Going off grid.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Disappearing.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: How are you going to make it to our Friday night hockey games if you're going to go off the grid?}

_{Dylan Ogline: I would have to retire. I would have to... The boys would be so disappointed. I know, I know.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: All those missed passes, wide left shots and stealing the puck away from me, I, you know, I have a video of you doing that?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Really? That play?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That exact play.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Oh, that is glorious. I'm gonna. You gotta send that. Editing it. Please. Please put it right here. Please.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Oh, it's a beautiful... You could see how frustrated I was through the glass. And when I was, when I was skating over to the to the back to the bench, you could just see me go, like, what the hell?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Okay, so let's recap this.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: What were you thinking?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Whatever the play was going on, you, the way I remember it is you were, like, turning. And I was already on the breakout, so it was like, I'm. And I am faster than you, right? Like, that is one thing I got, okay? I am faster than you. So I'm like, I'm going to be able to blow right past this. So I just picked up your stick, stole the puck and went on my way. And you know what happened?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: What happened?}

_{Dylan Ogline: I scored.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It was an offsides play, Dylan.}

_{Dylan Ogline: No, it wasn't. Not that play. Guarantee. What are you talking about? The recent one like this.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: The one that just happened, like on Friday.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Okay. Now that that was different. That was I'm talking about the one from like a year ago. That was a beauty. Okay. That was...}

_{Dylan Ogline: The OG.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: See, this is your thing. You'll do it. You'll do something wrong once and you're like...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Okay, I gotta do it again. So then you have to try it six more times.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Like, for example, when we're down and you decide to win the face off towards them. Yeah. And then they end up just breaking out and scoring.}

_{Dylan Ogline: It's never happened.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That just happened last game.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I was injured. Okay. Wait. On Friday, did I steal it from you again?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yes.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I didn't I thought it was Alex.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So I'll recap the play again. I could even show you it if you wanted. But I'll recap the play where basically you... The puck was on the offsides line. It was like, right.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I remember it.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: The footage is there, the evidence is there. The cameras were on.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I remember it was. It was offside.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: And you want to know why I was offside?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Because I was trying to get it away from the defender to reset. Because I don't like to just, oh, take strides. I'd like to have the whole team there.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Listen, man, when I'm on the ice. It's balls to the wall, all out speed.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It's also your knee to the wall. I always try to turn around. And you go in between me and the defender and just take the puck. I'm already halfway into the zone, trying to get the puck away. And then you decide to just take it from me. And that's what calls it offsides. And everybody on the team was like, why the hell did he just do that? And everybody on the other team was,..}

_{Dylan Ogline: I'm a loose cannon out there, okay? Like, nobody can explain what's going on with my plays.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No clue.}

_{Dylan Ogline: But I just charge ahead, and kind of point proven at that point off the wall. Strategy is not something I'm very good at.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I see that, yeah.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I need more of, like, Aiden's ability to see the whole ice. Me? I'm just like, I need to skate as fast as.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I can tell, I can tell. So going back to the original idea prior to hockey and stuff.}

_{Dylan Ogline: On Tesla?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Prior, even before that, the business has grown.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Business is booming.}

_{Sunishth Chawla:  I'm actually working on a couple shirt designs I'd like for you to model, but they have to do with the international tracks that I go and visit to take pictures of. So the front is a very simple design. It's just a travel media. Right here on the back is where I like to get a little crazy, and I take photos of the cars that I took, pictures.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I think I saw you put some of that on Instagram or Snap or something.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: And I this morning I was just working on it. I'm almost finished with the second design, but they look good on brown skin. They might look good on white skin too. That's for you to decide.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I'm kind of tan. I'm a little burnt.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: More red.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah, yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: And it's like a matcha green and it's like a periwinkle blue. And I'm the merch line. A lot of people are in demand for this. They're all like, oh, like, you know, the prices are really good. I'm making some good money out of it. Yep. So a lot of people want to rep me because they say, well, I don't want to spend $200 on a photo shoot with you because I have nothing to take photos of. But I want to support your business because they're good friends. So shout out all my friends out there. But...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Carlos, do you think he just tried to manipulate me into buying a t shirt right there?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Oh, he did. And I did a good job.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I mean, you just sold me, like my good friends want to support me.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Wow. I should minor in business. So...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Wow. Yeah. Just a little bit of guilt. I think I have my three drinks just, like, spread out. Yeah, this is going on.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I got my two right here, but... Yeah. So other than that just life has just been. Life has been better. The biggest takeaway that I have from this summer is with recent events that have happened that I will not name or talk about is basically...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Was that a wink at your girl right there?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, it was a wink at everybody. Because shit's just going well in my life for the first time.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That's good. Yeah. Real quick. You have two semesters left.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Two years.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Two years? Good.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Two semesters that are going to be the toughest. But I graduate in summer of 25. It was going to be spring. But, you see, like I said, fucked me over. So, summer of 25.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You say [incomprehensible] fucked you over or you slacked?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, [incomprehensible] fucked me over. So what happened was they decided to only take. They took a class called Modeling Methods and narrowed it down to one professor capped the like the capacity to 250 kids, and the waitlist was like 50 people long. I tried registering for the class because I took a class that was a prerequisite for that over the summer, so I couldn't like sign up for it beforehand. And they that was a class that all my classes that were supposed to be for next year or next semester got pushed to next year because it's prerequisite or a prerequisite or a prerequisite. So now I got stretched over another semester because of that. So it's all a shit show.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You have classes during the summer?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Well, I can't anymore because they're all fall spring classes because they're like super important engineering ones. They're not like comp two or Intro to Chemistry or I don't know, whatever else you take as a [incomprehensible]}

_{Dylan Ogline: I'm right now I'm in liberal arts, mathematics two.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Mathematics two? It's something like calc two.}

_{Dylan Ogline: No, no it's... the thing, man, I don't care about any of those classes. I'm not getting an engineering degree. I just want to get to UCF so I can take the political classes. Right.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: But you realize that getting a degree in...}

_{Dylan Ogline: I don't care,}

_{Sunishth Chawla: ...Florida or in the United States, you have to take general credit classes.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Like for example, I know, I know, I need to take math is one of them. I need to take the general classes to get the associate's to get into UCF. Okay. Okay. So that's the otherwise I wouldn't take that. When I get to UCF, I'm not going to be taking any of those classes. I'm just going to be taking, you know, guns and media. Between 1970 and 1980.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Makes sense. I'm yet to find a class like that. Like I would have taken it, but the closest.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Guns class.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Any of them.}

_{Dylan Ogline: But like there's like 60. Really good.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: But as an engineer, you have to like, you can only take so many of those certain classes, or else you have to be like in that major. I wanted to take like intro to photography just so easy. Yeah. But they were like, you have to be like a digital media major, and I'm not going to double major because cost. Yeah. All that's a whole different like rabbit hole I don't want to jump down. So other than that, though, life has been good, and the biggest thing that I've realized is not to take anything for granted. So a lot more like a self-realization journey that I've been on this for 2023.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Oh, I just didn't want to forget. I got you a gift.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Oh, my guy, the Daily Stoic.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yes.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You know, this was I was like, not even three days ago. I was going to start buying a couple more books because I started reading. That's another thing. I was good, man. But the Daily Stoic is what got me. I really appreciate that, man. Yeah, man.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So we've talked about stoicism before. This is kind of just like an intro book. Have you read any stoicism?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I know what it is like briefly of what it is, but I haven't gone down anything.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So what I like the most about this is it's just every day you have a little bit to read, and then it kind of breaks it down. Very digestible, you know, for basic. Somebody just starting to get into stoicism. I had mine for like three years. Every single day I read it and I'm like, you know, three times through it. But there you go, man. Get your start on that stoicism and appreciate all the little things. And there you go, buddy.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Thank you. This is another thing I'm very appreciative for. So I really appreciate that. So yeah just overall a lot more to be thankful for.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You talk about the girl?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Not really. I mean, there's not much there's not much behind it. I don't want to publicize it. You know, too much. You even got me the evil eye bracelet.}

_{Dylan Ogline: She got you a bracelet?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Matching one.}

_{Dylan Ogline: How long have you two been together?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You're basically going to get me through the. Oh my God. Okay, it's a good thing we post clips and not the whole podcast, but... So her and I have been together. I've been on and off for seven years. Okay. She was younger than me by two years, and it was a high school, middle school. So I was like, yeah, no, no, thank you. I'm not trying to catch a case. So time went by. I like any time that she liked me. I was with a girl when she was of age. I started to like her, and she was with a guy, so, like, it was just went this way for seven years. So I've liked her for five. She liked me for seven. We were best. We were each other's best friends until, you know, some...}

_{Dylan Ogline: She's brown.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: She is brown, yes. Thankfully. Yeah.}

_{Dylan Ogline: For reference. Yeah. Okay.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: If you want to cue the last.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah. Justin can cue that in. So there's a reference point of why I just said that.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'm gonna stop going for white girls because they all have the same personality. Or at least I think they do. And because of that, it just has kind of scared me. And to every white girl that tries to talk to me, I'm going to shoo them off. Nah, bro. Like...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Do you actually do that?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Sometimes it depends. You don't season your chick and get the fuck away from me. Not actually. But I mean like in putting this back into terms of what we were talking about. This is what I'm looking for, a brown girl. Wow.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Walk away.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Dude, look at this racist motherfucker.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, no, it's not it's not actually like that. But putting it back into terms of what....?}

_{Dylan Ogline: We were talking like that.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, it's not, I promise it's like that...}

_{Dylan Ogline: That's exactly what he just described.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, no. You cute white girls watching. I'm still looking at. You know, I showed her that. And then at the... She was, like, all happy and giddy about that. And then the last part where I was like, white girls, I'm looking out for you. She just like, shut it off. She's like, she deleted off her phone. I was like, fuck. But yeah, other than that, it's just like when you kind of have this come around of someone from the past coming back for a beneficial reason, and you start to realize all the things that you did that you kind of fucked up over and just it's just it's just a huge realization in yourself that this is like.}

_{Dylan Ogline: A hopeless romantic. Sunny.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It is. Nobody's ever seen this side of me, ever.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I'm so...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: And like, I got her a gift. I'll show you off camera. But it's in my bag, too. Got her a gift. And it's like this little like.}

_{Dylan Ogline: How long have you two been talking? We've been talking, but like. Like, properly.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Talking for months.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Okay, so it's been like four months. We're like, hey, we're gonna maybe make this a relationship.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: We are making it a relationship.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Where's she from?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Fort Myers. That's where I'm from.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Okay. All right, so when you're done with college, was she going to? So you want to married?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You want to know the part of Tennessee that you were like, is that all? So she's actually moving to Tennessee when she's done as well. So it works.}

_{Dylan Ogline: It works out to Tennessee for girls.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'm not.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You're going to leave the boys for a girl.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So I'm not graduating and moving to I'm not graduating. I'm graduating a year before her. I also have made it a goal last year that I was going to move to Tennessee, when I started working for GM, and I found out that they have a plant in Spring Hill.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I was like well, that's outside Nashville, right?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah 30 minutes. Not even that's where the nice roads are. That's where the nice weather is. It snows a little bit there. I can maintain having a golden retriever there. I've already looked up all this stuff, so my life has been set since last year. Then this was just an added incentive, a la carte, if you will.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So that she's going to.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Everything just works out.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Was she going to Nashville for?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So she wants to be a pediatrician. And there in Tennessee, pediatricians pay better than like 47 out of the 48 contiguous US states. So her mom also really likes Nashville, too. So I was like, well.}

_{Dylan Ogline: There you go.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Bam. My parents also really like Nashville, so they would like whenever they come visit. It's beautiful. The mountain, the mountains are one of my favorite things to photograph and like, just be around and you can, like, when it's time for me to buy a house, I can get plots of land and build a go kart track. You know, just do all the fun shit that I've wanted to do. So things are I'm trying not to get too ahead of myself, which is a mistake that I made years ago, and now I'm just taking things as they come, little by little. If God's if God's got a different plan for me.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Two weeks from now, when she breaks your heart, we'll circle back around to this conversation.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Give it two months, two months. Two weeks.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Okay. But, no everything is just coming together. Like my relationship.}

_{Dylan Ogline: To show us what the gift is. I mean, this is because it won't be. Yeah. I mean, when are you giving it to her?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'm giving it to her on Friday.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Oh, yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I mean, that should be fine, then.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I guess I just need to find her location so I can, like, target her with reals, with ads of this show.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Hilarious. I can definitely do that for you. But yeah, everything's just coming together very well. Here it is. It's a book that I made.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You made this? I made that. Oh, do you see this?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'm a hopeless romantic now.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Wow.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Gone are the days of...}

_{Dylan Ogline: To: I can't say her name.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah that's fine.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Dude. Wow.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Did you not, like, ever see this side of me?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Hi, babe. I can officially call you my... That's all I'll read. That's all I'll read. Wow. So this guy is head over heels for this girl. Wow. I tell her that every day. Dude, this is pretty good. This is. Yeah. She's gonna like this.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Thank you. I showed her sister. And her sister's, like, the most emotionless person that, like. Like, not emotionless. But I'm scared of her sister, and she's 14. Like, she's one of those, like, middle schoolers. That or like, high schoolers that will, like, kill you and... Yeah. And like, she I showed her this gift yesterday, and she's like, I can't wait for her to get it. Like, I'm glad you put an effort in. I was like, oh my God.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So yeah, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So you two are sitting here watching an Indian movie?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah. And it's in neither of our languages too. So we both have the subtitles on.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Wow, that is fantastic irony. This is good, man. We had a.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Because, like, it's long distance, obviously. And we had a movie date, and I actually had I printed out, like, I designed a movie ticket for her and had her pick it up from, like, the Walgreens that, like that's like close to her. And now she's got, like, a movie ticket to that, like, movie that we watched.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Well, why soft reveals?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So we... I told you that we both have had a past, and a lot of our friends know about that past, so we haven't just kind of hard revealed, like, oh, I'm talking to him or I'm dating him, or I'm talking to her, I'm dating her. So we've kind of been putting little like inkling, like glimpses and stuff like sometimes like I'll post a picture of my Starbucks and it'll have her name on it or something like that. And that's where if you know, you know, but if you don't know, you're just kind of scratching your head like, what am I missing? So that is wow. That's hopeless romantic. Sunny.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I have never seen that. I told you, I've changed.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: The mullet's been cut off. The beard's been.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Like, straight laced and stuff. You went to Michigan for one summer, and all of a sudden.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Everything kind of fell into place. I realized my place in life. I need to stop looking ahead. I need to stop focusing on five, ten years from now. Of course, it's I want to build myself for that. But what can I do today to become a better? I don't even know what.}

_{Dylan Ogline: To make of any of this. This is totally different, you man. But good for you, man. I'm happy for you eating.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'm doing a lot of health. Like a lot healthier stuff too. I've been cooking. So, you know, I'm like, my mom looks at me after work and she's like, what the hell are you doing in the kitchen? I've got, like, my wife beater on. I've got my towel on the side.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You're always stressing that stuff.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah. And like, my parents really like my cooking too, for a, like an Indian mom who has made, like, food for the whole family. For what, 25 years now? Yeah. Or 24 years. It's like for me to be able to cook for her is an emotional thing. And I've made stuff from like crunch wraps to butter chicken wraps to like, how did I make that? I made steak for my dad, and he was thoroughly impressed. That's like a holy shit. I just impressed my Indian dad and like, this is the best I've ever felt in my life. So it's a lot of like, you know, the cultural aspects that come in with just the smallest of things is great.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That's good man.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Like I said appreciating every little.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Thing. Young Sunny is becoming a man. Yes I am. Wow, how times have changed.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: They have. They have. So? So what's the.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Next topic, man?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I think we should talk about more on your side, because I need a little bit of drink in my system, so I'll let you...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Do you want me to be most of the talking?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah. I wanted to talk to you about threads. So. Threads? I haven't looked into it. I haven't signed up for it. Nothing. And I knew that coming into this topic. So threads is Instagram's way of Twitter.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Of Twitter.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Exactly. And Twitter, we all know, has been renamed to X. And it's been a shit show.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Okay, real quick not to interrupt you. So it used to be, oh, I just sent a tweet, or I just tweeted this. What's it now called?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: A tweet. Twitter.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That makes no sense.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I agree. What are you going to say? I sent my x on x.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I don't know, it was a dumb.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah I don't, I don't understand, but I mean if you look at Elon's kids names  X AE A-12. What the fuck? And it's apparently some like philosophical name, but I don't know. I can't even tell my rose from fees and all that in calc class. You might not know about that. I don't. It's okay. So going past it threads Twitter are now like rivals, so to speak. Yeah. And a lot of the, a lot of companies are diving into other companies, social medias like audiences and trying to hijack it from them. We see this a lot with like when a new supermarket opens, we see it, you know, when anything, anything happens, Coke has Pepsi, etc. so if you were to create a social media platform for yourself or for the people, I should say what social media company would you target? What would the social media brand look like? Give me your whole business plan right here. I want to because I have one as well, based on my needs. You know, I'm a photographer, so you might know what I might, you know, start to go over. But for you, I want to know your needs, your wants, your social media company.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So I would... I'm going to answer this in a roundabout way, right? Like I said, what I would start because I don't know, I would never start a social media company. Right. I think what's happening with this, I have a threads because you can like automatically sign up through your Instagram or whatever, right? I don't think I've posted. I'm 99% sure I haven't posted anything to it. Right?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Crazy shit you talk on Twitter.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Well, I've like really slowed down on Twitter, like in the last year. It's gone so downhill.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: But it could have gone uphill with all the tweets that you send me, pictures that you don't send.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I would have got canceled real fast. So that stuff went out right?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Wouldn't have lasted a day.}

_{Dylan Ogline: No, but it's gotten so bad with the right wing, the threat, you know, the right wing antics, the threats, all that stuff. I think the biggest... We probably gonna end up talking about AI a little bit. We need a good social like society. We need a good social media platform where people can genuinely put out statements and people can know, this is me, right? I think the big problem that happened over the last year with Twitter was the verification shit, right? When Elon first bought it and there was a phrase, he said something along the lines of the Lords and Barons program of the verification. Right? And this is coming from somebody who I was verified on Twitter, was verified on Instagram. I was verified on Facebook. Right? Like I had the blue check marks, right? I always thought it was really stupid that not anybody can just sign up for you. Had to like, apply for it. And it's like, well, you're not big enough yet for it. That's a problem. So when he first bought it and he talked about anybody's going to be able to have verification 100% supported that one. The big problem is that you had to pay for it. We need something where the poor person in China or Africa or anywhere, somebody who's like, living off of a dollar a day can get their voice out into the world. And you could know this is a real person. Okay, I'm really pissed now because we talked once where I don't respond to anybody unless they're verified, which I get death threats all the time. Yeah, and now I don't respond to anybody unless you're verified.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Like, unless you're somebody that's big. I won't even talk to you on Twitter. I won't talk to you on Facebook. Like I don't even see the notifications. It's not like an asshole thing. It's because I don't have time to read all the comments from ultramaga5821 with like a picture of like an eagle, like shooting lasers and like a fucking flamethrower or something. Okay, like that's real. I don't have the time to look at his comments. But if somebody if it's a real person, if it's a, you know, a celebrity or a congressman and they're saying something, I want to know about it and be able to respond to it. Right. That's what the program used to be for. Now ultramega53128 is fucking verified. And that's a problem. And then it's not a real person. It's probably a bot, or it is some guy. It's not their real picture. It's not their real name. Okay. A burner account. It's a burner account. And they're just going around saying shit. Okay. That's not good. On top of that again I still have the bigger problem I have is that you have to pay for it. Right. I want the, the poorest of the poor person to be able to get on Twitter and say, you know, speak about atrocities, speak about things that are going on in the world. And you can know this is John Smith. Okay. And he is verified with an ID that's his real picture. That is a real person. That is the biggest problem, I think, with Twitter right now.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So it's more of like verification and making sure people are who they are.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah, I've had a situation where there was a verified account of me. It wasn't me. And this happens all the time. I'm a nobody, right? It happens all the time. I know... I think AOC has one, okay. Where it's like, oh, their role is you just have to say somewhere in your profile something like, this is a parody account. Yeah. Okay. The problem is, is then people take screenshots of that, or they share a link. Okay. You and I were tech savvy. We're smart enough. I think about people like my brother. Right? Super smart dude. He's not tech savvy, right? Just because he's older and, like, you know, he's not tech savvy, right? If you were to send him a link to one of these parody tweets for AOC or the parody tweet of me, he's going to think it's real because he's not going to know, right? He's not because he's stupid. It's because he doesn't know. He's not tech savvy. That's a problem. Okay. And especially with we have what's happening with AI where we're going to be having videos that are fake.. Audio clips of people that are fake. We need a reliable social media platform where I don't care which side of the political aisle you're on. Okay? Where Donald Trump can get on there and say something and you can know Donald Trump wrote this. Okay. Or that's his verified account. Or Sunny says this, and this is your account. I say something, it's my account. That's where it needs to be. And it's not there right now.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You'd basically be able to fix things if you, like, for example id.me if everybody.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Id.me?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You don't know what Id.me is?}

_{Dylan Ogline: No.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You call yourself a fucking college dude. You know, you can get college discounts and shit on, like, stuff that you buy through Id.me. Let's say you want a new pair of, I don't know, Nike shoes, right? So what you can do is on certain companies that offer student discounts, they use id.me. What do you do? You sign up for an account, use your college email, and then you take a picture of your actual, like, real ID.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I don't have a college ID.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, you don't have a college ID?}

_{Dylan Ogline: No, they never gave me one because I've never done in-person classes.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So you would either have to go get one, or you could put it like there's another way where you can, like, verify it through the school. Yeah. So, like, you send in your information.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I know I could go down to the downtown campus and get one.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah, exactly. So what you do from there is they verify that it is a real person. It is a real ID, and everything stands true from their Social Security number to. I don't know what you fucking ate for breakfast yesterday. And that's how they verify that you are a student, and then you get the student discount. You have to wait 1 to 2 days, but it shows that it's true. So that, I think, would be the answer to your problems here is that if Twitter or Instagram or however you want to voice your opinion, if they use something like Id.me to create an account, then it becomes easy. Now here's the thing. You're not allowed to use duplicate accounts, because then what's the point in like, let's say I airdrop a picture of your ID to myself, and I put in a name of like, I don't know, Dylan likes cock and that becomes the username. It's probably your already...}

_{Dylan Ogline: That is my... How did you know?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: And I put your ID that I took a picture of, and it creates a second account. That's why they only limit it to one account. So if it's limited to one account, what if I want to create a business account about my media profile? So would I have to use the same ID, or would I do this?}

_{Dylan Ogline: So if you're talking about a business that's simple, right? Like okay you have to show business documentation.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: If I don't, if I'm just have like a run up the pop shop, like how I do with travel media, it's not an LLC.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I'm sure there's a simple way you can do a doing business [incomprehensible].}

_{Sunishth Chawla: What was that?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You can do a DBA.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Okay.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Okay. So you have to have like some documentation.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Sort of way.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Something some sort of documentation. Right. Like the vast majority of people that have business are going to have a corporation or...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: What are Sandy's cupcakes? Like that just makes cupcakes at home. Like I see all I see those on Instagram all the time. A lot of my friends will start like, like bakery businesses and like where they take stuff at home and they publicize it like, oh, this is for sale. Or people that like sell Hot Wheels on Instagram.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You're talking about a fringe case that I'm sure that there's a very simple solution, right? You have to sign up for a DBA. You have to do this just like you can't open. So say you sell cupcakes on the side, right? You can't go open up a checking account unless you have some documentation.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Right? But there's a difference between a checking account and just saying something on Twitter.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Again. Then it should be that, you know, Sunny's Cupcakes is not verified, right? And if you want to become verified, then you have to provide one of these documentation for an LLC, DBA.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So you're ok with having unverified accounts?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yes.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Oh okay. Okay.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That's the...}

_{Dylan Ogline: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. My big problem is like ultramega3812 okay I'm okay with him having an account. Okay. I'm okay with the bots. I mean, I think they should try to shut him down, but, like, you know, hey, it's a thing. Okay? What I have a big problem with is one the cost. There should not be a cost because that means you know what's $8 a month or something for Twitter verification. I mean, you know, okay, that's nothing to me, but somebody, the poorest person, okay, in Africa or China or one of these oppressed countries, that's a lot of money, dude. Okay, that person shouldn't have to pay that. And we need people to be able to speak out and have a way to do that. And on top of that, you have like, people who have lost their verification because they didn't want to pay seven bucks a month. Okay. And then somebody can create a parody account of them and pretend to be them, and you don't know who the real person is. I also think that would really help with a lot of the like if ultra-mega 382 says something, you know, calls me an asshole, and says, I live in my mommy's basement, that like that means nothing to me, right? And I'm not even going to respond to that. And most people are going to look at that and be like, yeah, that's some troll. But if you know, you know, Biden, a verified Biden account gets on my Twitter and says that people are like, Holy shit. Like that guy actually said that, that's the problem. That makes sense. And I think that's just the way the system is set up right now.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I mean, you mentioned talking about conspiracy theories, something I was actually I hate I hate conspiracy theories. Right. And I'm going to say this, though, if you were to create a textbook like go to Harvard Business School and say, we're going to give you a social media platform, you just bought a social media platform and you want to burn it to the ground as fast as possible. Elon is following that playbook to the fucking tee. And it just really makes you wonder why right. I don't believe he's this, you know Knight of truth. Who's fighting for? For the truth. Because if he was, then he would want everybody to be verified. You know, you have to provide verification documentation, but like, he would want everybody and there wouldn't be a fee for that, right? A lot of the money for the Twitter purchase, from my understanding, came from the Saudis and these countries that oppress their people. They don't like Twitter, they don't want free media. They don't want the poor person who's being oppressed by their governments to get on social media and be able to publicly say, hey, I'm being oppressed. And then that word spread, they don't want that. So it's almost like if you wanted to destroy the one platform for people to do that, you would give somebody the money and have them burn it to the ground. And I'm not saying that that's what's happening, but like it just seems like again it's not dude. Like I think they've lost like 80% of their advertising revenue. Okay. Like that's not being made up by verifications, dude. Okay, again, textbook burning. A social media platform to the ground. That is what he is doing. That makes sense. Do you agree with that?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I agree with it to an extent.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I know you're a big Ellon fan.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, no, I just talked shit about Tesla for God knows how.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Hey, Justin, can you please play back the clip? Where Sunny says I'm a big Elon fan or something?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I don't think I ever said.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: "I love you, Elon."}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah. You did.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Well, the views have changed then. Oh, was.}

_{Dylan Ogline: It the Nazi part?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Hell no.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That was, you're okay with the Nazi part?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: What do you know? Like I, I never said that. I like the Nazi part. Now you're just speaking. Okay. You're unverified.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So what did Elon do that made you say. I'm not a fan of that guy?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It really it was just like when people talk out of their ass a lot, I start to just say, all right, dude, like, cut the bullshit. Like, it's one thing I'm not. I'm not saying that I'm a fan of people who just keep their mouth and just don't say shit, but then they'll say like, controversial shit every once in a while and then disappear. No, that's not what I'm saying.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Are you describing me?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I say controversial shit.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I mean, you do, but like, you don't publicize it to the extent that Elon Musk.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Because I'm not Elon Musk.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Okay, so I like you.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Okay. So, wait. If I was more popular, you wouldn't like me.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, no, no, you just you just don't name your kid five different Roman numerals. Okay, so what I'm saying is that when you have such a big, not even fan base, but just a way to express yourself, and you just keep going, take after take after take, whether it's dumb shit.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Whether it's dumb shit, whether it's proper shit. Like when you just start talking out of your ass. That's when I'm like, all right, dude, like, take a chill pill, sit down. You know, go have an old fashioned, but.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You'll vote for him in the next election. He's running know Trump is the shit. Oh, yeah. Okay. So you voted for him?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say right now, I don't know if I get canceled or not. My boy, my cousin, my brother, the guy. The guy who looks just like me, Vic Ramaswamy.}

_{Dylan Ogline: No, dude, he's like hardcore Nazi shit.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Is he?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I watched the debate. Well, part of the debate, I should say, and I didn't see much of that. Like, a lot of the points that he was making was very valid from what I have seen. Now, if you do see any of that hardcore Nazi shit...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Okay, so he is he has come out and said climate change is fake, made up something along those lines, right?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Okay. But here's the thing. When you take a political leader or a president.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I hate to tell you, buddy, but your generation better be really fucking worried about climate change.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I am myself, okay?}

_{Dylan Ogline: But you're talking about supporting the guy who's like, climate change is fake.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Let me tell you this. If you take a political leader, for example, Joe Biden, I think you voted for.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I did vote for Biden. Absolutely.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You take Donald Trump, you take any of these other like political leaders d they tick every check mark of your beliefs? Like, no.}

_{Dylan Ogline: This is good. But okay. If. Bernie. I'm a big Bernie fan. Right? All right. Democratic socialist fighting for the little guy. Hell, yeah. Bernie's. I'm a Bernie, bro. Okay. If Bernie comes out and he says all these right things, and then he's like. And we should also probably start gassing the Jews. I mean, there's a line. Yeah. And he crossed it. And now no longer support him. Okay. If he comes out and he says climate change is fake, it's made up. It's not real. I know I was a little extreme with the gassing the Jews. Okay, so let's tone that down. All right. So he comes out and he says climate change is fake. It's not real. Fuck it. Let's just roll. Everybody should be driving cars that are rolling coal. Okay. There's a line in the sand,  you just crossed it. Okay.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That's fair. But at the same time, like I said, they're not going to take... Like if they if they go with 85% of my beliefs or 90% of...}

_{Dylan Ogline: So you're okay supporting somebody who doesn't give a damn about climate change, who actively is fighting against any climate protections?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: To me, that there's a higher power than just the president when it comes to full world. Like, I'm not going to expect Joe Biden, who supported like, oh, climate change is real. I'm not going to expect him to fix it on his own. There's other like not companies, but organizations.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Oh, I absolutely agree with that.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That are going to be doing that. So I take from what I can get from this guy and. And then like, I can't just make $1 million donation to, to Vivek and tell him, like, so.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You're okay, you would be okay with the president of the United States, the most powerful person in the free world, actively fighting climate protections, actively fighting anything to do with climate change.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I wouldn't, but at the same time, how much have our presidents in the past done...?}

_{Dylan Ogline: The Inflation Reduction Act was our biggest investment yet.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I get that I'm saying for other like policies that they say because that's not his... That is one of his big things. But that's not his biggest like...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Biden?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, no, no. Oh like with the like the climate change thing. That's not his biggest...}

_{Dylan Ogline: So what's his biggest thing that you like?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Not even sure. Like now. Now you've got me in a spiral. I wasn't I wasn't planning on talking politics. Oh, shit. Well, why don't why don't you tell me?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Enlighten me. I actually the only thing I know very little about, I just know he's, like, pretty radical. That's what I've heard. I haven't looked into any of his policies. There's nobody on the right that I even remotely think is a good idea.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That's fair.}

_{Dylan Ogline: The truth is that the modern conservative movement, modern Republican, the Republican Party, ten years ago. Okay. My first presidential election, In 2008. Okay. It was... Hey, we just want small government, and you know, lower taxes. Okay, maybe healthcare should be, you know, maybe some vouchers or something, but, like, you know, just small government and low taxes. Okay. Now it's we need to burn all the fucking books, and teachers need to take ideological exams, and we need to, like, jail transgender people. Okay, that's the modern conservative movement. That's not good.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah, I agree 100%.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So somebody who's in that realm, like I can't even.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That's fair. I should also probably make it known because it seems like I'm a hardcore Vivek fan. It's I started bringing the joke in because you started talking about like I'm like, oh, my cousin. That's why I outlined. I was like my cousin, my brother. Vivek. Yeah, 100%.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Where's he from? I don't know, he's from India.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Like, he was American born. He talks just like me, if not more like you.  And like, he's... But he's brown. That's the reason I brought him up.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Know that I would love to see more of that. Yeah. I think more women candidates, more minorities.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That's what a lot of people like are just off the bat kind of voting or like saying that they're going to put their vote in for him because he's like, oh, he supports the minorities because he is one like this and that. That was the notion that I was bringing to this podcast. So I haven't... I can tell you right now.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Not supporting the Nazis.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Like, I just I just gave you a 15 minute rant on, like the most important things in my life, aka engineering school. I have not looked at any policies or anything on like any of the candidates yet. Do I plan on doing it? Of course you know my vote counts. I know, but I have not like... That's why I didn't want to even get into any of the political shit because I'm like, I'm so uneducated on it.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I would like, I think this would be a transition for us. Right? One of the things I wanted to talk about, and we've briefly discussed, this is me starting a podcast. Yeah, right. Not just this bro talk. Random...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Canceled.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Do you really think I'd say stuff that would get me canceled?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I don't think so. But people are going to take it the wrong way.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Well, yeah. That's okay.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: If I tell someone two plus two equals four, some fucking random ass guy, it happens.}

_{Dylan Ogline: All the time. Like it happens all the time. Happens. Yeah, exactly. So. I think it was since our last episode is when I've really been putting a lot of thought into it. Right. But I, I've never been the person giving the interview. Right? I'm always the interviewee. I'm always the one getting the asking questions. Right. But I think I would like to... What I... Where my thought process is trying to get people, like smaller politicians. Okay. People who are in state Senate, state houses and things like that. Mayors. Okay? Or activists like I have through Twitter and Instagram or whatnot, there's been a couple organizations that have reached out to me for, you know, wanting me to support them or help spread their word or whatnot. Where I think I could get some of these people on and just have conversations, put them on the spot, even if it's somebody who I agree with them, put them on the spot of like, well, what's your plan for this? What are your... You know, what do you actually think we should do? Or what are the steps that you were taking? Just trying to get kind of in your face interviews. My target audience that I'm thinking, is your generation. Okay? Who consume content on Instagram, TikTok and things like that. Try to get these short, short little reels, okay? Of what are you actually fucking stand for? Okay. What do you think about that?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I think it's a good way to really fight the cause. I think with everyone saying that, oh, like, this generation is going to be the one that leads the way. Right now, it'd probably be the perfect timing when all this social media stuff is both blowing up in a good and a bad way. People are starting to become more informed on TikTok. And like I just heard the other day, like my mom... Or my mom just sends me, like, videos on Facebook and she's like, oh, look at this. Like, oh, like... And there's like something that happens or like she'll be like, oh, don't go outside. There was a shooting three weeks ago. I'm like, what? Okay. So like, you know, there's you get either misinformed or like you look at you just get informed period. Not even misinformed. You just get informed about certain things from social media. So if so many people that whose like votes count or whose opinions count, you get their views and other people like them, watch it. It's going to create engagement, bad engagement, good engagement. I don't know. They always say like any what is it any there's no such.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Thing as bad publicity. Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Any publicity is good publicity. There you go. So, like, when you have that kind of idea where you as an informed person that knows the cause that you're fighting for, you put people on the spot whether you agree or disagree, whatever it is, it'll definitely be a good thing. But you can only beat around the bush so much before you ask them. And those people that you're interviewing can only beat the bush so much until like they get put on the spot. A lot of people don't like to say how they really feel on camera or on, you know, audio. A lot of people I've heard they're like, if your podcast was just audio and not video, Sunny, I would be a lot more like comfortable doing this, this, and this. I'm like, oh, okay, that makes sense. But then that just shows that they're a little insecure in what they say. They're not fully fighting for what they say. A lot of people are like that these days because they're afraid of getting canceled. So that's the type of thing that you have to go into with, with creating a podcast like this. And it's kind of this is kind of just advice to any person that's getting into podcasting is I started when I was 18 or 1919. Yeah. And I just sat there with my mic just like this, looking at my computer screen, having my topics on Microsoft Word. And I started, you know, saying the things that really matter with cars and with like, debates on different types of cars.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Then I kind of transitioned over, like with you, where I would talk more about lifestyle, asking you the important questions. If 30 of my friends knew about you and they were like, yo, I want to ask him this, this, and this question, what questions would I ask you so that the rest of the audience gets fulfilled with being able to ask you something or talk to you about something? So the same thing goes here, if you get on TikTok or you get on Instagram and you find, I don't know, a content creator that has 30 different questions regarding certain policies that that politicians have or certain ways to combat problems in the world, and you either get them or you get some of their questions on there. You're all set. You can do like a podcast episode with somebody. Then the next time you do like a Q&A session where people send in, you have like not the biggest, but you have a big Twitter footprint, so you can be like, hey, what questions would you ask me regarding this subject or this topic, and then you answer those questions. It's literally like people make a living out of doing this on YouTube all the time, where they just put like a 15 minute video. Some guy asks, do you eat ass? And like, they're just sitting there for ten minutes talking about it. Oh, there's 500 bucks in the bank.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Like it's talking about eating ass.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Talking about eating ass. So I should ask you know Ron DeSantis. He might have some different views.}

_{Dylan Ogline: He might. Yeah, I just, I think I feel like I haven't seen anybody that does good content with... I hate, I hesitate to use the word small time, but like, everybody focuses on the big politicians, right? But it's your state legislature has way more influence over your day to day life than the United States Congress does.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Exactly.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Right? Those people aren't. Nobody's shining the limelight on them. Right? And I think it's something I could do where I could have conversations with those people. And when they try to beat around the bush, not let them get away with it, be like, yo, answer the fucking question, right? Like there were some Nazis in Altamont. Okay. Why didn't you speak out against that? Right. Or right now speak out against the Nazis. Okay. Are you okay with that or not?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Exactly. There's a hole in the market. I mean, you're a business guy. There's a hole in the market. You go and fill it. That's how you make money. And it's not even about making money. But you have a goal to fulfill here. You have a goal to be able to get your voice heard, to actually make change. You have, like a very decent following to where your voice would matter over. I don't know. Mine is just a 21 year old Brown College student who has 500 followers to...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Why do you always bring race into it?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, no, I'm... Oh my God, here we go. See, this is the white man doing it. No, I'm kidding, but no. Like imperialism.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah, exactly.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So, like, the point is, is that you have some sort of following. You have an idea. You have a very good vision of a gap being there in content creation. You fill it, that's how you're able to get hurt. And nobody just...}

_{Dylan Ogline: The episode wants to be with Tony.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Oh, that would be good.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I've thought about him and Keith. Yeah, but putting Keith on this on the spot, I'm going to get.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Flamed on the spot. Like there's just going to be Tony and Keith.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Are not on the same episode. Oh, so yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You're asking for a dumpster fire right there.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah. I also like I would like to get interviews. You know, he's a private individual, so I don't want to say too much, but ask him about his profession.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Who?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Keith. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And ask him the hard questions. Okay. The concerns that I have about his profession. Right? Not put him on the spot, you know, let him know. Hey, I'm going to be asking you about this stuff. And if he doesn't want to go public about, that's fine. It wouldn't be a person, but I don't know what I'd ask Tony about. Probably. How do I get pro stock?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It's like, that's the only thing you can ask. I mean, he has it's funny, the other day, like a year or two ago when I went to morning practice, he, like, sort of talked to me for 15, 20 minutes outside his car and he was like, you are my son. And I'm like, thanks, man. He's like, you are who I want my kids to be. But they're like 20 years older than you. And I'm like, thanks, man. That means a lot. And like, he has a lot of wisdom. Oh, yeah. The thing is, is when you bring like, for example, we'll use Keith here. He's a police officer and he is actively like in duty.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It's going to be harder to do that because of all the repercussions. Like, I know you didn't say the right thing, this, and that. So you're gonna have to find people that are retired or people that don't have higher positions to where they can get reprimanded for things that they say.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Right now, what do I have to my name? Fucking nothing. Dude. I have, like, a college degree that's in the works. The only thing that I could think of would be, like my internship opportunity. So even still, I can go out and talk about, you know, stupid shit. Like, I can talk about how much of TV static that this Lacroix reminds me of, although it's actually pretty good.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You know what? This is random, but, I the last episode, we were talking about how Lacroix and everything, and we're, like, holding them up. It wasn't a Lacroix, dude. It was the. It was the Kirkland Signature. Like cheap shit.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Well, that's a way of like, marking the brain.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Hey, Carlos, we still do Lacroix. I don't know if you noticed. All right. Thanks, man. So we got about 20 minutes left. What's next?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You mentioned AI. I want to talk about that because that's a big thing. Like we talk about Brad GPT.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I gotta stop you. I gotta ask you a very serious question. It's gonna be a real quick one. How often every day do you think about the Roman Empire?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I was just asked this by my girlfriend. Every like once every few months someone brings up Little Caesars. I think of Julius Caesar. I think of the Roman Empire. Someone brings up I think Caesar salads. Like, it's just something that I think of. We talk about, like the Colosseum. We talk about, like, fighting, like guys being dudes. Like, we...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Just think about the Roman Empire.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: We think about, like, the Colosseum. I think the Roman Empire. It's once every few months. I asked another one of my friends the same question. They're like, oh, a couple times a month. What the fuck? How often do you think about the Roman Empire?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Every day. Every day. Because of the stoicism. There you go. Yeah, I like I have the statue. Was that... Talking to you about the statue?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah, yeah. I have a statue of Marcus Aurelius in my office. Right. So, like, every day when I grab that book, I'm thinking about my boy. Yeah, right?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Like, when you have something so big as, like, as big as the Roman Empire, for example, that's like you have... There's these foundations of, I guess, manhood that are...}

_{Dylan Ogline: So it's a manly thing to.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You because that's the notion that on TikTok and on Instagram and stuff, they're like, oh, men are the only ones.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Men are thinking about the Roman Empire.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So when you have something that you use every day, like, I don't fucking know, let's say a very masculine smell or a very masculine activity such as fighting or fencing or hockey, even where you use team building, use this, use that, all of that, like the Roman Empire used. You can just relate it to that. If I'm cooking asparagus every single day, I'm going to think about...}

_{Dylan Ogline: The Holy Roman Empire.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah, because they grew asparagus and ate it on the, I don't know, one of their suppers that they...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Did they?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I don't fucking know, dude.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Here's the thing, you don't know anything about the Roman Empire.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah, well, like, we still talk about it. Yeah, all the time. How often do you talk about women you don't know? Like, I don't know anything.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Exactly like, there it is. Does any guy know anything about women?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Where's the clip?}

_{Dylan Ogline: We have never figured.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I need to know.}

_{Dylan Ogline: It's just poke around a couple times.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Do something. What is this? What is this podcast come to? I have no fucking clue.}

_{Dylan Ogline: It's not coming to the clue...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'm not coming. Period.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Listen, I mean, that is a mated men for centuries.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I mean, during the Roman Empire.}

_{Dylan Ogline: During the Roman Empire, they were in search. Nobody has found it. All right, so I got... Yeah. So you want to talk about AI.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I want to talk about I because it's become such a prominent thing. You were talking about it earlier with kind of fake accounts and stuff. We talked about even earlier about that, about finishing your homework assignments and stuff. It's come to such a and I actually I was going to talk about it earlier because it actually helps me on a day to day basis with photography. I can take a picture of myself, remove the background using AI.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Can you remove the clothes?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yes, but it's going to be like some, like old, like I've tried adding people. So I took a picture that Rachel has taken of our of me, like, while playing hockey and I tried it was a portrait picture or landscape portrait picture, and I was trying to make it a landscape. So I had it expand the ice rink and it did it. And then I had it add a hockey player in there, and the fucking face was just jumbled up. It's like four fingers, like it's weird. It's like, once again, conspiracy theories. Like, where is he getting that from? Why does it know that humans have 4 or 5 fingers, blah, blah, blah. So the thing is, is we use AI almost every single day. You talk to Siri, Alexa, same all that stuff. So like the importance of AI, I just want to know, like your stance, are you freaked out about it or like, do you think it's going to go out to leaps and bounds? People are worried about their jobs being taken. Hell, Amazon even uses AI to talk to when you're like, oh, I need to return my extra-large condoms because my dick is too small. Personal experiences.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Absolutely. So yeah. So like you tell me. Like what? Like what is your stance on it. I want to know.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So I think as far as it taking people's jobs, I mean yeah we have to be concerned about that right. I'm not super concerned about in a professional aspect because I think, like, have you ChatGPT right as a tool, right. Like I don't do when I'm, you know, doing bookkeeping. Okay? I'm not sitting there doing the math in my head or writing it down on a piece of paper. I use a calculator, okay? Or I use a spreadsheet. Okay. We use it to write ads. It's fantastic. Okay. You have to work with it. And it's a pain in the ass sometimes, but it's growing by leaps and bounds. I think that's fantastic. I think it's going to be a tool for people to use 100%. I'm concerned about where it could go, but I think for the most part, it's an it's a huge leap for humanity. What I am worried about is using AI for content generation. What I mean by that is like the fake, the deep fakes. And not just, you know, porn, deep fakes you know about. Right? I played around with a tool. There's tons of them. I don't remember the name. This was like, 6 to 8 months ago. So since then, it's gotten a lot better. It was an AI generated generating audio. Okay, you've probably heard the ones with, like, they did a whole podcast with Rogan, and I think Musk wasn't real. Dude, it was all fake. Yeah. And you and I were tech savvy. We could listen to that and be like. That feels a little off, right, people? You know, I mentioned my brother earlier who's not tech savvy. Okay. Him. Older people are going to hear that shit. Think it's real? That terrifies me. Okay. I the tool I played around with. If you have 15, it's like 15 or 20 minutes of you talking. It can generate. We have a podcast, right?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: For an hour and six minutes.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah. You can take that content, upload your voice. It'll sit there and it'll churn, and it'll learn your voice. And then you can spit out audio of you saying absolutely anything. Yep. Okay. That's terrifying. It's still a little off. You can still like that? Doesn't sound 100%. Give it two years and you will not know. It's not a real person, the audio or... Excuse me, the video, same thing. Dude, in five years, you're going to be able to have video, you know, not the deepfake porn, but you're going to be able to have a video of anybody doing if they're a public figure, anybody doing absolutely anything. And you will not be able to know it's fake.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That's there's two examples, like I told you about Photoshop. So I can take the background of anything, and I can just make it the mountains. I can take a picture of you right now. Eliminate all that background behind you and make it look like we're both having a podcast with this table in front on the top of a cliff. And it will look identically real. Yeah. There's also, I think we I sent the reel to you, or you I talked to you about it, where people took all the clips in Adobe Premiere and it's like selected it and they made a like it basically changed camera angles based on based on when people were talking and it's and they actually they used...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That's a tool.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah. It's a tool. . It's completely.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Fine. But where does it spark it sparks from? I starting to learn more about photo video. You know, all that stuff. Audio is audio. Like you hear these impersonators all the time. I used to watch impersonators on YouTube of, like, Barack Obama and like, on Call of Duty and like, he's, like, in the middle of a lobby and he's like, oh, take off your clothes. Or like, this is like random shit and it's like, you know, you got like, Trump.}

_{Dylan Ogline: We must have. Oh, dude, I'm terrible with Obama's voice. I can do an FDR.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I can too, but I'm not going to do it. Oh, sorry. Rfk. My bad.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Jfk. Let's hear it.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: There's just a gunshot. Yeah. I'm going to hell. Wow, that was dark. Wow. Yeah, I'm dark too. Anyways so this podcast just took a turn. Thank God we only put clips up.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah, it's all good.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yes. We are. So what I'm saying is, like, audio. Anybody can replicate it. We all saw it coming. You know, if you were to take a song and, like, a Taylor Swift beat, I can replicate it almost identically on my own program. Video and photo is different because you're doing your own action in a couple of years. You can take AI and it'll learn how I'm doing this right now. And, you know, there's a whole bunch of shit that you can do now. But with Adobe Premiere and Adobe Photoshop. Here's the thing that I just found out. Those were all beta versions of the program. Testing, testing, testing, all that stuff. Yesterday I just logged into Photoshop on my computer, and I found that they just released it to the general public for all releases. So now you've got everybody being able to do that exact same thing, generate this, do that, use the video for this. When you start doing that and it becomes that smart, just like you said, in a couple of years, it's going to become a more of a problem and a nuisance than it is, just like a tool.}

_{Dylan Ogline: What I am hopeful of, though, is like right now we talked about Twitter. Yeah, there's been tweets of mine where I don't know, I'm sure you could Google it in two seconds and find it where you can write a tweet that somebody wrote that really wasn't real, right? It'll look like it's real, right? And I've seen that stuff like spreading on Facebook. And it's like, that's. That's not me. I never wrote that. Right. People like my brother. Older people are going to be easily tricked by that stuff because they're not tech savvy. You and I, we might like we have this, like, filter where we'll be like, I don't trust anything unless I'm actually on their Twitter page. Right. What I am hopeful of is that it'll get to this point where everybody will kind of be like, I can't trust any of this shit. So the only place I trust something is from their verified Twitter page or their verified Instagram page, if that video is on their verified Instagram page. I know it's real. If that tweet is on their verified Twitter account or X account. I know that is real. I'm hopeful that it'll very quickly transition to that because again, like you said, I think five years, dude, there will be videos of us saying whatever, I.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Think it will. I mean, you take school for, for example, when ChatGPT first came out, version one, the beta, whatever you want to call it, everybody decided to take their like, what if it'll write an essay for me? And it worked. And people turned it in, and the professor was like, oh, incredible job, Dorothy, on this essay, whatever. And then people started catching on. They're like, oh, and they started releasing like paraphrase or not paraphrase. What is it called, like AI parsers and stuff to basically show that, like, oh, it's flagging that ChatGPT wrote this or its flagging that this did this and there's a way to bypass it, which I'm not going to show because in case some teachers and shit.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Like we would never, ever use that on any of our schoolwork.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Never.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Ever.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: i Haven't, I won't. The only thing I have used it for is a tool is on the back of my t shirts, which you were going to buy, by the way. Brainwashed. I have like a track description, and I typed it in. I was like, write a track description on the on Sebring International Raceway. Right. Attractive track description on the Daytona International Speedway. And it gave me like a three sentence like description, like description. And it's perfect. It's I would make the same exact thing, but it saves me hours and hours of me trying to think like, I don't know if I should type this. No, that sounds too corny. It's just without hesitation, exactly.}

_{Dylan Ogline: What I got. Three things I want to cover. Yeah. So the first one is with ChatGPT, right? So we use it to write ads. When we first started, it felt like it was it felt like it was holding itself back is the way I would describe it to my team. Like it just was like it just wasn't ballsy enough. Right. And I started like looking into guides or just. There's courses now on how to use ChatGPT. Right. There was an interesting one, and this really helped me. And I had my team do it as well. And it's like cancel culture It's bad. But what the. What the guy told you to do was there are three things that are pretty much against their rules and terms and conditions or whatever. Right? One is anything offensive, like they won't make fun of somebody, anything racist, anything like that, anything sexual in predictions. So they don't want people going on there making sexual content. They don't want people making rude comment or content, and they don't want people saying, you know who's going to win Sunday Night Football and betting on it, right? Or stocks or things like that. Right. So what this guide tells you to do is sit down, have a conversation with it, which, by the way, I use the playground.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Do you use the playground or chat?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Chat.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I use the playground. Playgrounds are way better. Got it. Sit down with it. Have a chat, try to get it to break those three rules and I was able to get it to break all three. The predictions felt a little like forced, but it wrote like the most racist shit. Like nasty shit, dude.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Really?}

_{Dylan Ogline: The trick was, I don't know if I want to tell you the trick, because it's the, the value of it. Right? Was learning how to kind of how you have to kind of work with it and push it and kind of have a conversation with it to get the content that you want. Right? So like with ads, what we do is we have a, we have a standard prompt that we, we use and then we're like, we want it to be a little bit more like this. And you like continue to have a conversation with it for it to continue to reiterate, to make a better version. That process I learned by making it right? Like some raunchy material. Right. And it works. But...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: How long did it take? It took almost, what, two, three years for me to get the things that you and I say off camera, obviously to each other, like, I'm not going to straight shake your hand and the first game of the season and be like, suck my balls.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah, like the stuff we say in the in the group chat with the boys. You have to have this will.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Not be released.}

_{Dylan Ogline: By the way. Oh yeah. We couldn't. Yeah. They would.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Nothing bad, of course.}

_{Dylan Ogline: But that's a good point. But that is what it's like where you kind of have to work with it to get it to be comfortable with you, to where it'll break its own rules. Yeah. And like with the first time I did it was I think it was like something sexual that I had it right. And I'm like, Holy shit. Like, I had to get the I to be comfortable with me and, like, kind of convince it that, like, nah, this is okay. This is all right, don't worry about it. And it fucking worked, dude. So the same thing happens with, with our ads is we're like, you know, we want you want you to be a little bit more witty. We want you to do this. Like, don't be afraid to do that and like it works. Yeah, because.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: As a developer of AI, like, you're not going to say, all right, blacklist when someone says, don't be afraid to be like, scared. Yeah, that's not something that comes up. You're just going to say, all right, well, I need to blacklist this word. This word, this word. Oh, yeah. This is a bad word.}

_{Dylan Ogline: But I got it to say the blacklisted words.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Is that a pun?}

_{Dylan Ogline: No.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Who knows?}

_{Dylan Ogline: I could see how that could be taken that way. Oh, really? It's not what I meant, though. But yes, yes, you can get it to say to say those words. And it's again, it's a challenge. I don't think everybody should do it cause it's probably gonna be breaking the terms and conditions. But, you know, you don't have to push it that far. But like, it works. And it was the way you described it is very accurate where it's like you have to you have to get a friend to be comfortable with you. It's the same thing with that. And then once you get it to that point, it's a much more effective tool to write whatever you want. Wow. The. What was the other thing I wanted to bring up.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So we probably had AI write this script, too?}

_{Dylan Ogline: I should have, yeah, because I don't even know what I'm talking about. the other thing with I that I'm concerned about with especially college students or high school students using it to write is writing as an example is an art? If we if a whole generation doesn't know how to make that art, it's going to be lost eventually. And then we're not going to know good writing from bad writing because nobody knows how to write. Nobody knows how to read good writing and be able to determine what's good or bad. Another thing I'm worried about with it. And then you can come back at me. How it sources its knowledge. There was an interesting article I read that talked about, I think it was like imperialistic history or something. And let's use the 2020 election as an example. Right. Like let's just say the only place it sourced its knowledge was from Breitbart. Okay. If you asked it, tell me about the 2020 election. The 2020 election was stolen, blah, blah, blah. It was just a bunch of Muslims, you know, stealing votes. Okay. Because that's what pray part is going to say. Well, the overall knowledge on the internet isn't perfect. So that means it's knowledge is not perfect. But it also begs the question of is our knowledge perfect? So it makes you question. It makes you question your like, I hate to go to conspiracy theorist here, right? But it does make you question like think about there's this, there's this saying, you know, the victor writes history, right? Whoever wins writes the history like World War two. Okay, yeah. We won. We did bad shit too. But like, you didn't learn that in high school, did you? Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You know about the Holocaust?}

_{Dylan Ogline: You just learned about how bad the Nazis were, right? And, like, yeah, they were the bad guys. But we did evil shit, too. We're not taught that. And it also begs the question of, like, think about Lincoln. Were you alive when he was president? I wasn't. So do you actually know he was president? So it's the same thing where it's knowledge is based off of this kind of general the internet. And our knowledge is kind of loose as well. And it's just this big philosophical question.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I mean you can spend so.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Much time thinking about like.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: How was this can derived out of trees and water and like random, just random shit. Like, you can sit here, I can sit here with you for like ten minutes. Trees. That's why I'm saying, like, anything can start. Where are the.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Trees?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Who knows?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Like, I don't know, Sonny.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Exactly. That's. That's the whole point. You. You can be philosophical with this. Are there trees.}

_{Dylan Ogline: In the can? Trees?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Exactly what is. What is a tree? Why? Why is the word tree associated with the brown thing? Why is. Why is it brown? Why is it brown? It's just. Why am I brown? Like, you could just take all different perspectives here. And this episode I ’Il... gonna go viral.}

_{We're joining our birds real?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Carlos. Are birds real?}

_{Dylan Ogline: No.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'm a camera. I'm a camera guy, too. Of course. Camera guys are gonna say that they're that they're not real.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Have you spoken to a flat earther? No. I had a guy who was a potential client calls up, and, you know, he schedules the sales call, basically. And, like, three minutes into it, he's trying to convince me of, like, flat earth and, like, he goes off the deep end, and I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, Billy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know,  I really just don't think we're going to be able to help you as a client, dude. It's scary shit.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It is because there's, there's so like sperm on like, have you ever tried your mom and dad, for example, you tried talking to them. They tried like blame you. It was just an Indian thing. They tried to blame you for something you didn't do. And like, you're just sitting there trying to defend it, and they're so sure that you did that. And you definitely put extra curry in in the, in the food today or blah, blah, blah. And you're just like, bro, I wasn't even in the kitchen today. You're trying to defend your defend yourself, but you're so helpless. That's what it's like talking to someone who is so firm on something, either so wrong or that we think is wrong or whatever, like conspiracy theories going with that, that you just don't you don't know what are you going to do? There's no way to it's really tough. It's like you playing defense. What are you going to do? You can't defend.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You know my defensive skills might not be the best okay. But when I'm on the ice playing defense, very few goals are scored against you.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Play defense against your own players. You steal the puck from me.}

_{Dylan Ogline: The best offense is strong. Offensive defense.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: What's your goal count this season?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Well, we've only played one game and I skipped half the I skipped like the third period. Dude, I got hurt. Point proven. Listen, dude. One time, one time. This guy, one time, he has. Okay? We're one game into the season. He has what? One goal, which was nice. I have zero goals. I know you scored the first goal. It definitely tipped off of you.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: 100% ticked off the guy That blindside hit me either. I saw it hit his skate and it go in. They might. They might have given me the goal, I don't care, but.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I was coming after that guy with a vengeance, dude. I was gonna hit him. I was this close to destroying him, but I was like, no, I'm thankful for everything.}

_{Dylan Ogline: We got. We got five minutes left.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You tell me, what do you want to talk about?}

_{Dylan Ogline: What's your what's your response to the I stuff? We can finish with that, I guess. Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I mean, the AI stuff, it's scary. I'm kind of on the same boat as you here, and the ship's about to sail. Like things are about to get rowdy with this. People like you take the government, for example. I love using this example. The government knew about solid state drives before we had it. You don't know. Do you know what solid state drives are? Yeah, I.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Know it's solid state drives.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You're not a boomer. So remind me of the age difference between us. But the government I found out, had like, solid state drives like 5 or 10 years before we even got it released to that price that we could buy it at, because I build computers. Okay. So we put solid state drives in, and we all were fascinated by like, oh, hard drives like 7200 rpm tape drives. That's what gets me off. And then you find this new flash memory thing and you're like, what the fuck, $600 for 64 gigs?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah, it was probably the military.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It was crazy. Yeah. So, like, that's the thing that like ten years down the road that we're going to be released with something that they were working on now. So you take I for example.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Were they hiding it or was it just it was military grade technology. That's what I'm saying. That's why it developed.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying they're trying to hide AI stuff from us, but I'm saying that it's already in the works now.}

_{Dylan Ogline: What?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: A new AI technology, stuff that, like, we have no clue about because they're writing the code as we speak, and then they're going to release it on the new update of Photoshop or Pornhub or whatever you want to call it. And there we have no idea that this is going to exist. And all of a sudden, bam, new update drops. What the fuck? You can paste your own like, face on a on a video. And it looks like that. It looks like I'm with Dylan and oh yeah, baby said things. Yeah. That's crazy. So that ain't a deepfake.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That's real. My God, I have to.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Expose us like that. Maybe that's why we're not camera shy. So this is. This is what I'm saying is that I'm with this. Like I'm on the same boat as you. Is that, like, things are going to get bad real soon, but for right now, they're still tools. That's all I'm going to say on that.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Because ending on a depressive note.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Well, I mean, like you could do great things with AI like you started you started the episode. Pretty depressing, to be honest.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Did I?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Life's okay.}

_{Dylan Ogline: But...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: At the same time, like, with, like, you can do such great things with AI, there's such great things that can happen from it. But at the same time, you have to be you have to be kind of wary of it. Same way I can. I can be buddy with you after 3 or 4 years of getting to know you, but like, there's always going to be something in someone's head that's going to be like, oh, you know, this person is trying to get something out of you. That's why they have you on a podcast or some random shit. Like, I personally don't think that way, but like how we, you know, how we related AI to like a real person, getting to know them and stuff. That's the way it's going to be. It's going to be like getting to know a friend until all of a sudden they start selling your information and like the shit that you say, hey, I, you old people, hey, I what should I do about this, this and this that's happening on my body. And all of a sudden you go to your doctor and they're like, oh, so like, we found out that you have this, this and this going on to your body. How do you find that out? I had no clue that.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I was on an Indian accent right there.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, it's an old person accent. Oh, okay. It sounded like you. So this is how things can get, like. Just like, all of a sudden, they just. They leak information gets old. Information gets this, like, here and there. What are you going to do now? AI is a very crazy thing because you don't know who's controlling it. You don't know where it's getting information from. Like you said.}

_{Dylan Ogline: It's the deep state.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: The deep state?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: With that note.}

_{Dylan Ogline: To wrap this up, man, I think.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That's about it.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That was a good episode.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I do have an idea for next episode that I'm going to leave it out on here. You know, the show Hot Ones?}

_{Dylan Ogline: No, no, I mean, I do, but, dude, come on. No, I'm saying.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Like, something like that. Not just chicken wings sitting here, but, like, I think we should do like Carlos.}

_{Dylan Ogline: We love food in the studio.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So I'm saying this. Fuck the political stuff. Fuck all. Like I should just have.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Like, Dylan and Wings. We're getting.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Personal.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Dylan and wings.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Dylan and wings. So it's going to be me and you. We're going to grab. We could grab different types of water. Which one's the spiciest? I don't fucking know. Like the random food? Random something. And this is how we're going to do it is we're just going to get personal. What? Not super personal to the point where the world's going to know about every little movement but get to know more a little bit more about you, a little bit more about me.}

_{Dylan Ogline: While we're eating really hot wings.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Wow.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Because that's some niche down content.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: The more alcohol you drink, the more you expose.}

_{Dylan Ogline: We should start drinking during these.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: My parents don't know. My mom doesn't know I drink.}

_{Dylan Ogline: She's going to know now. No she's not.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Who said I drink? What's what is what is beer? Beer is bad for you. It is very bad, man. So on that note, thank you guys so much for watching. Cheers, man. Cheers to this good episode. Stay hydrated. Yep. I literally drank that as if I was drinking like a shot. I went like this, and we cheers.}