Bro Talk | The Sunny-Side-Up Podcast : Full Episode 3

In this fun and candid episode, I join Sunny Chawla to chat about everything from hilarious college tales to the joys (and struggles) of rural America. We dive into some big-picture topics, like how society’s perspectives are shifting, our pet peeves with modern tech (hint: buttons vs. touchscreens), and why gratitude is the ultimate game-changer. Plus, we swap stories on growing up, dating, and navigating today’s fast-evolving world.

We discuss:

• The quirks of rural America and changing attitudes
• Why gratitude is the shortcut to a happier life
• Touchscreens vs. buttons: the real debate
• How social media is shaping public discourse
• Building resilience and staying grounded amid rapid change

Full Transcript

_{Sunishth Chawla: Like I was saying, because I probably shouldn't say this on the podcast, but. So I failed my calc quiz and I went out to go watch Thursday Night Football with my friends and drank three quarters of a pitcher of beer. And after that woke up, I went to bed at like two in the morning and then went...}

_{Dylan Ogline: What was this? Last night?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Last night I woke up at like six for the gym, and now here I am.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Wow. You're an overachiever.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yep.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Good job.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: My bladder is just like yours today.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Your bladder is good. Yep. So. All right, everybody, welcome back to another episode of Bladder Talk with Sunny and Ahmed.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Sunny and... [laughs]}

_{Sunishth Chawla: The turns a table.}

_{Dylan Ogline: All right, all right. So you open it with a joke. Yeah. Okay, good.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I recently found out I was colorblind. I came out of the blue.}

_{Dylan Ogline: It was okay. It was okay. You know who I don't trust?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Who?}

_{Dylan Ogline: People who do acupuncture. They're backstabbers. Oh my goodness. Oh wait, I got my glasses on. That's okay, that's okay. Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I don't have any more jokes. That's all you got? I got one.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You didn't have any other? No. Okay. Cause I got three more.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: All right, go for it.}

_{Dylan Ogline: What do you call Asian man who always pays with exact change?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: What?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Exactly.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: They're not even funny like that.}

_{Dylan Ogline: What are you talking about? That's amazing.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Nah, I've heard better, but go ahead. What's the other one?}

_{Dylan Ogline: I got two more. Who's the best kung fu vegetable?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Who?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Broccoli.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Oh, gosh. It's watching you laugh. Otherwise, I'd be stoic and stone cold over here. Okay, I gotta go. Last one. I got the last one. I always get nostalgic when I'm putting my car in reverse. It really takes me back.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Didn't do it. No. No, man can't hit hard with those car jokes.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Really? Oh, I thought you would like that, that's why.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Oh, no, it was. It was funny. I'm tearing up.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You're tearing up. I'm tearing up. All right. Hello, friends, and welcome back to another episode of hydro homies.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Hydro homies.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Sunny and Dylan.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: How's it going?}

_{Dylan Ogline: It's going good, man. This is episode 241, right? 241, 241, 241. Yeah, sure. Yeah, it's about that I lost track at some point. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Episode 240.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I haven't edited the other 240, so my bad. It's gonna be up. It's gonna be uploaded like two years late.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So two years late? Yeah. The last one was what I was telling Brian. Right? Brian what took you eight months to even eventually you never even edited, did you?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I did edit it.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You did?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah.}

_{Dylan Ogline: We never posted it.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: We did.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You posted it to your...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Did you ever post like, the video or anything.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I did.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Did you post the video that Justin edited?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I don't think so.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Either way [incomprehensible] 8 or 9 months of waiting for you to edit that one.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I was also in like the hardest semester of engineering school.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Did you pass?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No. Yeah. So it was a lose situation, but, hey, we're passing this time around. Yeah.}

_{Dylan Ogline: How are your grades?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: They're actually pretty good.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Cao?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: The Cao quiz yesterday kind of went to shit, but the test that I took that went pretty well. The statics, which is the class that I'm studying for, that I failed like, twice before. I did pretty good on that exam, too. So right now I'm passing. I'm doing well.}

_{Dylan Ogline: What year are you in?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So I'm technically a senior, but based on classes, I'm a sophomore. Plus, I was in this program called IB in high school, which basically fucked me over because I had these like... It's kind of like AP classes, but they have their own little like term for it. And UCF didn't take any of my credits. Michigan would have, UCF would have Clemson [incomprehensible]}

_{Dylan Ogline: I'm just hearing a bunch of excuses.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Okay. Yeah. Remind me what age you are and how you're going through college right now, right?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah, absolutely.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah. But, I mean, I can't talk. I'm not out of college yet, so I digress.}

_{Dylan Ogline: The class I'm in right now is just the absolute worst.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Which class is it?}

_{Dylan Ogline: English 2.}

_{Dylan Ogline: No. Basic math.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Come on man.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So it's just I think we talked about this before that online college is just so ripe for innovation. Dude, like signing up for classes. Like, their system was built in, like, 98 on, like, Microsoft front pages. Do you even know what front page is?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yes I do.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Okay. that's how I started. When we first started doing web development. It was all in front page. I figured back in the day. Is that even around anymore?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, I don't think so. Now you have you have a lot more...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Everything is all in CMS's.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Cms.}

_{Dylan Ogline: And Wix. Speaking... Wait, no, we got to go back before we jump to Squarespace and Sunny's new website. So I'm in student life skills because I think I want to transfer to UCF through the Direct Connect, because there's a ton of classes that I really want to take at UCF, political science classes, all the stuff that, you know, of course, that of course I would like.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Perfect university for you too...}

_{Dylan Ogline: And Valencia has a couple like there was there's one I'm really excited about. I think it's called peace studies and international politics and stuff like that. I absolutely want to take those. Talking about how it's ripe for innovation. You go on to their online course catalog and you see like, okay, this is the class I want to take and no prerequisites. I go to sign up and it's like, well, you don't have the prerequisites. Like it just doesn't make any sense. So for this semester, the only one that I could get into was the student life skills, which is just stupid.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It is.}

_{Dylan Ogline: It is absolutely. Did you take it?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: They were like, as soon as I was in orientation, they kept telling me, oh, you should take it. It'll definitely, like, teach you how to become a better student. Never took it. I learned how to be a better student.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I'm pretty sure.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It's required now because they saw, like, the work ethic of, like, new students after the whole Covid semester.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Do you want to talk about work ethic? Right?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Dude, like, I don't want to rip on my professor.}

_{Dylan Ogline: No, no. I'm gonna talk about my professor.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Okay, okay.}

_{Dylan Ogline: There's so many typos in the instructions and whatnot, right? There's typos in the instructions. There's files that they say you need, and they're not there. Okay. And then one of the things that really pisses me off is like, probably a quarter of your grade is doing discussions, discussion posts, discussion posts. And my favorite part is, is that like half of that grade for that particular discussion is responding to people who responded to you?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah.}

_{Dylan Ogline: What if nobody responds to you?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Then you get home free.}

_{Dylan Ogline: No, really? I have lost points because of that. It's ridiculous.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Then just make your initial response somewhat reliable. Like, for me, I'm taking...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Nobody's excited to talk to me.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I do. Got a surprise for you, though. Oh, buddy. Because we're on the hydro homies. Hydro homies extravaganza podcast.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: This is why you got here this early. Sparkling water. Sparkling water, baby. Oh, yes. Yes. You want me to take a look at this TV? Static. Cheers. Refreshing. I wasn't Lacroix.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Hit me up if you want a sponsorship.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I got this all over it...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Do you like it?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It's okay. I mean, I'll drink it. It tastes like beer.}

_{Dylan Ogline: How did we end up talking about water in the last episode?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I don't remember...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Episode two.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I was gonna ask you last night if you wanted me to bring, like, a whole bunch of water.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I was thinking about it.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I was going to.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Fill up another Yeti and bring it to you.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You know what? We're gonna move that whole Hydro Homies episode to the next one.}

_{Dylan Ogline: We're gonna do another one.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I thought this was the jokes in water tasting episode I was. That's what I was prepared for.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I mean, you clearly wanted to compensate for your poor performance. Last podcast.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah, I had to bring you drinks.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: We had. Yeah, I guess that's what we're doing now, so...}

_{Dylan Ogline: All right, so Sunny's website. Let's talk about that. How's that going for you?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So right now I have the one that's live is the one that my best friend has created.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Is that WordPress?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, it's just from scratch. He, like, literally has typed in the code, started from bracket, HTML slash bracket, and I....}

_{Dylan Ogline: Couldn't even do that.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Anymore. I was able to do it because I took a web design class. So I knew what I was doing. And my first, like, website version one that I made myself. After that my buddy took over and he used it for his portfolio the same way that I take pictures for other people and use it for my portfolio. He didn't charge me. He's like, listen, you know any new features you want? I will test them out myself and see if I can, like, implement them into your website. Everything was going pretty well. I liked the design of the website, but adding photos was a pain in the ass. I had to go through three other like websites and like pay money for more storage. All this shit and like, I don't compress my photos. I put them on raw because people like to take a look and see, oh, Sunny can shoot quite detailed. So that's like kind of a little bit of the enigma on my website. And yeah, exactly. And it's very minimalistic too. But I just started using Squarespace, thanks to you.}

_{Dylan Ogline: This podcast is sponsored by Squarespace.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: If you need a website, hit Squarespace up and use code. Dillon Online has a small cock for 15% off.}

_{Dylan Ogline: It's just Dillon. Dillon.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Anyways but... Yeah. So I started using theirs, and I'm not like I'm nowhere near finished with it. But a lot of the features are just so much easier to use. Adding photos is done like this. I can just make a file and I have to do a little bit of preparation before, but I can just literally take all those pictures that I've taken control a hit open, and then it will just like populate all over the website. So the templates are really cool too. Everything just kind of works to your ease. And the biggest thing is I can set up a shop now, that's something that my buddy has been kind of struggling with because there's ten different directions you can go with it, but to be able to pay one rate and just get it all done in one website and not have to go to other websites makes it so much easier. Absolutely. So I've been I've been taking a little bit more of your advice recently. So it definitely helps. And there's one thing I actually wanted to talk about. So I posted a reel of like, just cars racing down a racetrack called Sebring. That's where I basically made most of my money.}

_{Dylan Ogline: In South Florida.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Right. South Florida. Yep. And this reel I uploaded on October 7th. It is October 28th currently, and two days ago this reel had like 1500 plays like 50 likes or something like that. I checked today, I had like 95 notifications on Instagram. I have 4400 plays and over like 450 likes. It's crazy awesome. So I guess it's just the sound working or something like that. But reels are broken, and Instagram is now broken. So like now I have to do what you told me and it's just like basically go out and just start posting your content, just make content post. It doesn't really matter, and you got to do reels. It's my exposure has been going up big time.}

_{Dylan Ogline: They're all about reels now I they're just trying to compete with TikTok. Yeah. I as a marketer, I'm okay with that because I hate the TikTok advertising platform as it stands right now. Plus they're always talking about like banning TikTok. So we don't have any clients that are on that. But I as far as, like posting pictures and stuff to Instagram, I feel like that's kind of losing its...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: And that was the main like that was the main purpose of it. Like Facebook, you take a look at that, and you post like a status. You post a picture like hanging with my kids or something like that.}

_{Dylan Ogline:  Well that's Twitter dude. Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Twitter. Yeah, that's about to change thanks to Elon.}

_{Dylan Ogline: But you're an Elon fan, aren't you?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Very much so.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Really?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah, well, I don't like Tesla, but, like, as much as you do. But the fact that he's just kind of like desensitizing Twitter in a way, because like everyone, everyone on there, like, listen, like I'm all for, you know, being good to other people and, you know, like, not bullying and stuff, but like, there's a line that gets crossed and like, you've heard of cancel culture, right? Of course. So like people just have to like restrict what they say. And it's like if you're on Twitter, like, I understand if your job fires you for something stupid that you say, but like you should just be able to just say whatever you say, whatever you want. And just like, let things fly. Well, you can do that. Yeah. But then like, then you have like... Then you have like thousands of other people that are like, no, your opinion is wrong. Like Splish splash, your opinion is trash.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That's just the internet.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So yeah, I mean...}

_{Dylan Ogline: We've I've read you some of the comments on like my platform with the biggest following is Facebook, which sucks. Dude, I'll get hundreds, hundreds, or thousands of comments on a post, right? I mean, I've read some of them to you. And people were like...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That's because you're, you know. [incomprehensible] If he hits sends on any of those messages, it'd be game over. Mark my words.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah. Sometimes I want to post some pretty not, I mean, not like, inappropriate. I would never get violent and be like, fuck you. Or like you need to die. Which I get death threats all the time. Yeah. I kind of want to just respond with kind of like that witty, sarcastic response to some of these people. But I have toned that down. And now I don't respond to anybody unless you're verified. Like, unless you're somebody that's big. I won't even talk to you on Twitter. I won't talk to you on Facebook. Like I don't even see the notifications. So in which you just have to because there's so many people, which comes back to your point of like, you know, cancel culture and, you know, I'll post something to Facebook. There'll be 500 comments, 250 of them will be like, Dylan's absolutely right. I love this guy. He knows what he's talking about. The other 250 is Dylan's obviously never owned a business. He lives off, lives in his mommy's basement, and I don't even know what other stupid shit.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: And that just goes off of people, like, assuming and just trying to, like, make assumptions like, oh, I know something. And I think it's right. So I'm just going to force it. So what do you think.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Elon's going to do to get rid of that or change that?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Well, I mean, just based on the stuff, I haven't looked too much into it. I literally just got the notification. I was like, cool.}

_{Dylan Ogline: But it was enough to post on your Instagram, right?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You're salty about that, aren't you? You're salty about that. But no, like I mean, the way that I look at it is based on the stuff that he's posted on Instagram and Twitter before. He really doesn't give a fuck about what he says. So to be able to kind of like he like fired pretty much a whole bunch of the executive team. Yeah. Executives. And after that, I mean, I just feel like he's going to kind of set the mark again to where you can just say whatever the hell you want. I don't know if you follow up with like, Kanye and his, like, breakdowns that he has on Instagram, like once a month, but he'll just like, take texts and just post those and everyone, just like some people are like, oh yeah, Kanye's right. Some people are like, oh no, he's wrong. Same way people send you death threats and not but at the end of the day, like Instagram will say, oh, he's just causing a nuisance and they restrict him, or they suspend him for whatever.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So you think it's the nuisance that they're suspending?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It's just like just let it be posted I don't know. Like I personally have not been bothered by it at all. So if that's the case, you know, what's there to say. They're not going at a direct attack for somebody. People should be able to say what they think. There's so many people like one person will post something, let's say, like a very conservative take on something and like a whole bunch of like people that are like liberal will come in and just attack that one take without even like looking at the facts. And there's been times that I've seen on Twitter where people post something very truthful, like it's backed up by facts, and then other people from a different party just come in and ramp it down as if.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You don't think that happens on both sides.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Oh, I'm saying it happens on both sides. So that's why I'm saying. As far as equality goes, like this will just kind of open it up for people to just be able to say what they what they think.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So a couple of things on that is, I think you need to step back and think about, think about the job that Twitter has, right? So they kind of have two options. One is let it be wide open so I can say fuck so-and-so, I'm going to go murder them. Okay. That's wide open, which is what people on the right pointing to the left. People on the right say that they want, right? But then if people are putting death threats like that's going to gain steam, right? And you're going to have sycophants like people who are backing Kanye, who are like, oh, you know, fuck the Jews. We need to go gas the Jews because he posts that shit. You know, he has 100 million people that are following him. And out of the 100 million, there's probably a thousand plus absolute crazy psychopaths that if he says some crazy shit, they're going to go take action, right? So the right option of the rights option of wide open speech doesn't sound so appealing, because you will have people dying. Yeah. Okay. The other option, which is what they're trying to walk the line of, is somewhat moderation, like trying to draw a line. The problem is it's a very blurry line.  Okay. And there is absolutely no way to be perfect with it.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So there has to be a team. There has to be individuals who are making arbitrary decisions of hey, this is too far. This is not enough. I think that's probably one it's a private business, right? So I am 110% for if Twitter wants to ban all liberals, go at it. If they want to ban all conservatives. Go at it. If they want to ban all white people or blacks or Asians or men, it is a private platform. They should absolutely be allowed to do that, just like Facebook should be allowed to do it. Instagram should be allowed to do it as a private platform. That would be like, I am allowed to control who comes into my home. If I don't want other men to come into my home, that is a personal decision and I'm allowed to do that right. A lot of people get confused and they think, oh, this is First Amendment free speech bullshit. That's absolutely incorrect. Okay, free speech is the government can't control who is speaking. So if truth, if I were to go on truth Social okay, I guarantee I'd get banned in like a day. Like it would not go good, right? And that's just the nature of it. And that's okay. That's their platform.}

_{Dylan Ogline: And they want to they want to have it. I think overall it's probably leading to the deterioration of our society, which we could have an in-depth conversation about, but yeah, I, you know, it's a private platform. I am not the Elon bros will be on me about this one. I think in person I would probably get along with Elon, right? Business guy. I love... He has at least interviews that I've seen. He has a bright vision of the future. Love you too. I believe you got a pessimistic view of the future. You know, we could always have had that. There's people that have it now, and there were people in the past who had it. And hey, we got better. But I think having that bright idea of the future and aiming for better is probably a good thing. So I like that about Elon. What I don't like is that this culture has built around him, that he's like this savior of free speech. When I think once he gets in charge, you know, the team's going to be like, we have to somewhat moderate. We can't have people saying, we can't have Kanye going off saying, kill all the Jews. That's probably a bad thing. We got to stop that.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Well, obviously, like, I definitely like, apart from the obvious. So this is the way I look at things. If you commit like a penalty in football, you get a flag 15 yards. And let's say it's like, I don't know, something major for, like, like a face mask or something like that. The referee has the option to take a look at the penalty and assess that penalty, or they're going to say, no, this guy's too dangerous. Or are they just going to like, chicken out and say, this guy's too dangerous. I want him out right now over a small penalty or over like something that could be major. So it's like the same way with social media. Someone posts something and obviously if they say something way too out of line, you're out. That makes sense. But I think a lot of things like I look at it on Instagram all the time, they say, no nudity, no this, no that. And then now you have these like meme pages that are like just Spamming with like Only Fans girls that are literally naked. And the first thing when I open up Instagram I don't want to like, yeah, I love titties, but I don't want to see a pair of titties, right? As soon as I open up Instagram in public. Yeah, you know, that's I got the hub for. So like, that's the kind of thing that I'm saying is like moderation. You're right. But to an extent, there are certain things that should have no limits at all. And then there are certain things that should just be a hard line on social media. It's hard to assess every little thing because you've got millions of people posting billions. Yeah, like so many people.}

_{Dylan Ogline: But the truth is, like, I think YouTube probably has it worse because like, you literally have to watch the content, right? Like there's what, like 100,000,000 hours posted every day or some shit, like it's an insane. It is literally impossible to moderate that content. And, you know, when you're talking about, you know, titties showing up on your Instagram feed, right? Those pages probably are going to get banned tomorrow, but they're not.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That's unfortunate. Like you can scroll down, I click on like one of the pages and I just see like four of the same thing because you know how Instagram added in like the collaborator thing. So like so you can basically like let's say I collaborate with you over travel media and you when I take pictures of you, I so it'll show up on my feed and it'll show up on your feed. So if I decide to collaborate with Dylan online, online, digital and I don't know...}

_{Dylan Ogline: It shows up on all three.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah, it'll show up like that. So if you scroll down to one of those other, like promotional pages and you'll just see titty, titty all, all the way down to like months ago. So it's not like they just created a new account. Post that video and just call it a day. They have some sort of backing and you see the comments?}

_{Dylan Ogline: I didn't know that they didn't post it and then archive it.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Well, that's a good question actually.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You have to keep in mind that there are teams of people. One of the most successful agency owners I know owns an Only Fans agency. He makes like 400 grand a month. That's his cut. That's his, like, take home profit on an Only Fans agency. So when you're doing that kind of revenue, and I'm not saying I don't, I think most, most of his promotions are Reddit. But when you're, when you have that kind of revenue, you can hire teams of people not just like these apps that you can go buy like fake accounts, you can hire teams of people that literally their job is to game the system. And if you keep doing it like you'll learn how to game the system. So just off the top of my head, I don't know if this is what they're doing, but maybe they go in and they post like a picture and then archive it right away. So like Instagram's like, oh, you know that doesn't appear so nobody can flag it, right? And then they do that for like a thousand different accounts. And then all of a sudden they turn them on, they unarchive all the pictures. And that account might last a week. It might last a couple of days until it gets reviewed. A lot of people, I think I kind of have like a slightly deeper understanding because, like, I work in that industry.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Right?}

_{Dylan Ogline: A lot of people will look at that and they'll be like, oh, this is, you know, unquestionable proof that Instagram is biased, right? Good for an old, older boomer. That's a good friend of mine. She was talking about how all she sees on her Facebook or Instagram is liberal content. Right? So obviously there's a bias towards that. And I'm like, there some reason the algorithm is tagging you? Probably because you're engaging with it. All right. Because you click on it. All right. A couple months ago I had where I mean, obviously I'm very progressive for some reason. The algorithm got a little hint and was like, maybe this guy will like some conservative content. And dude, all my explore page was just like Biden memes being an idiot.}

_{Everybody's entitled to be an idiot.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Aoc and all this shit. And it was just it went down that rabbit hole. Luckily, I know what's going on that page, so I pretty much only go to that page and I'm like, I set a timer on my watch and I'm like, I'm just looking at this stuff to kind of see what's going on in the in the marketplace, because that's my world, right? Either way, what I'm getting at is they have an incredible, an impossible amount of content to moderate all platforms, whether this is TikTok, Facebook, YouTube, you name it. I think they do the best that they can. And no matter what, at the end of the day, there will be 100 podcasts today that will debate about if they went too far in one direction, or they went too far in the other direction. And that is the only reason. It's a story.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That makes sense. Obviously, you know this way, way better than I do because you actually know, I didn't even know this.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I knew what collaboration was, but I needed the Sunny.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Well, maybe we need to collaborate more.}

_{Dylan Ogline: The [incomprehensible]}

_{Sunishth Chawla: There you go.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Travel media. Taking all my boudoir photos. Exactly. Are we going to start posting those.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: As soon as I start an Only Fans agency. Damn right. But let's take a step away from what your work is basically and kind of dive towards your vacation. I think you just came back from Pennsylvania. And you said something about it being a terrible trip.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah, man.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Let's hear it.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So I'm originally from Pennsylvania, as you know, and went up there to visit some family and stuff like that. And dude, it's just so I love I'm from rural Pennsylvania, small little farming town called Somerset. And around that area is just some beautiful nature. Like I've hiked all over the world. My favorite trail in the world is at Laurel Hill State Park, and I think Hidden Valley, Pennsylvania is where it's officially located, which is like 20 minutes from where I grew up. Absolutely gorgeous area, right? So got to get out in nature. Got to take the dogs for a bunch of hiking and stuff like that. I absolutely love that. But there is a substantial decline In rural America's just attitude. And I actually wanted to that was one of my questions I wanted to ask is if you have seen that, obviously, you know, you haven't been to like rural America. You didn't grow up in rural America. But have you seen like, a decline in like people just more rude now, like growing up? Man. It was I didn't like growing up, right? Because it was small town. There was no opportunities. I as I've grown older, I've learned to appreciate it and whatnot. But the people were the best fucking people, dude. Like, you know, maybe they had a short term vision of what's possible and there wasn't a lot of hope, but they were just good people. The type that give you the shirt off their back. You know, somebody has a flat tire. They pull over on the side of the road and help them out. Like, that's the people I grew up with, man. And I love those people. They're not that way anymore. Yeah. They're just so everybody I was around fuck Biden. Biden owes me money for my gas. Aoc needs to burn in hell, you know. So many signs that I saw. Everybody was just grumpy. Went to a couple restaurants. Went to a couple coffee shops and stuff, and everybody's just depressed. Have you noticed that there has been a decline?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah. II was born and I grew up in a rural town.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Really?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Howell, Michigan.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Well, no. No, no. I thought you grew up in Tampa or something.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No. What the fuck? That's... No....}

_{Dylan Ogline: Is that Aiden?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yes. That's Aiden.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Oh, shit.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: We need to get him on the podcast. We do? That'd be great. But no, I was I was born, and I grew up in Howell, Michigan, which, if you ask, I've noticed this. When I went up over the summer. Like Howell.}

_{Dylan Ogline:  Howell, Michigan. All right. I did not know this dude. Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So it was very rural town. Like basically if you ask or if you tell someone they ask you like, hey, what part of Michigan are you from? And I say, oh, I'm from Howell. Like, oh, Howell. So yeah, it's one of those places. And when I moved down here, I lived in...}

_{Dylan Ogline: When did you move?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: 2005.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So you were four.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I was born, and I grew up in Howell, Michigan. But, like. But still, I still visited.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Hey, Ryan. This guy. He definitely grew up...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Hey, man.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I mean, they're rural Michigan, but...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: But, like, these are people, like, I would see, like, my parents talk to them. My grandpa owned a motel. So I get to see all sorts of people that come in, and they were like, they were very nice people. I moved down to Fort Myers, Florida, and this the school that I went to is called Riverdale High School. And that was in a rural area called Buckingham, like Florida. And once again, just like kind of the same thing that you were talking about, people that would take the shirt off their back, give it to you, they'd pull on the side, you know, those kind of people. As the years pass, when I like, let's say, from freshman year of high school to senior year of high school, you could definitely see a change there. There's just been a change in attitude for pretty much everybody. You take a look at society, whether regardless of like the place, they're always going to say like, okay, we were good at this one point, everyone was all together. They would make decisions for themselves, and now everything's just become left to right, up, and down. Things like that. And I don't know if it has to do with just the fact that rural people you might have, like they might be a little bit more disconnected or they're more biased to one source of media or something. Obviously people will relay what they get fed in. And you see that all the time with extremists, hard left's hard right's whatever.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Some people are just the kind of go down that one route and that's all they have now is just hatred and anger towards one person and it elevates towards everybody. If I walk down the wrong street just because someone's a white supremacist, they're going to see a brown guy, although they don't know that I'm partially I listen to like, country music and I'm pretty much whitewashed at this point. They're gonna like, they're gonna straight up look at me and just be like, yo, get out of my country. Exactly. That actually happened to me when I was 15. I tell people this all the time. When I was 15, I was walking down a Winn-Dixie freezer aisle. And in Fort Myers, there's so many, like, World War Two veterans and like old people that just retire there. And I was walking down, I had a little bit more of like a, like unordain beard compared to now. And I was walking down, and the guy tells his wife, he whispers, and he goes, hey, watch out, the Allahu Akbar is coming. And I laugh about it now, you know, it's funny to me, but at the same time I was driving to Daytona and there's a city literally ten minutes north of where I live called Geneva, Florida. You've got Trump Town, USA and all these other like billboards.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Trump town. Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So yeah. Trump ville. There you go. Okay, so you see, you know about it. And I was filling up gas like, right before I was headed over to my buddy's place in Daytona. It was like 9 p.m., and it's just myself. And there's this guy with this big F-250 filling up gas, and he's looking at me, and he's looking at me in a nasty way. And, you know, I'm just doing my thing and filling, trying to fill up gas in my car declines, like, what the fuck's going on? And he walks towards the back of the truck, which is like, so his.,, So my car is right here, his truck is right here. And he walks towards the back of his truck and pulls out what looks to be the stock of a gun, like a Woodstock of a gun. And I said, nah, bro, fuck that. Got in my car and drove off. So like, there's, there's things like that. Like, you know, if no one's watching, no one was at the gas station except for me and him. So it's like people will have that one. Like once they have that one perspective drilled in their head that, okay, I'm white. Anything that is not white is wrong. Then that gets elevated into more and more like different versions. And putting it into perspective of what you were saying, I don't think that you just noticed it and it just happened like in your town. I think it's just happening everywhere. There's so much divide in this world, and everyone now sticks to their own perspective and things don't change after that. So it's really hard to kind of put in words. But everyone thinks on their own now and it's now becoming a little bit more harmful.}

_{Dylan Ogline: What do you think caused that?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I mean, politics is, I think the biggest thing so many people here in America, they're either like, I hear people that are like, I would live and die for this country, which obviously like patriots, you know, like they love America. Then you have people like the newer age. They're like, oh, I hate America. I would rather move somewhere else where rights were actually have rights and this and that. And I'm like, are you serious? You've got countries that would kill you for like being gay or for like doing other things that you think that are restricted here in America. And you have two sides of the story every single time. So like politics play a huge role. Culture plays a huge role. Like some people are not open. They're very close minded. You try to have a conversation with someone that's close minded. They're not going to accept or even listen to anything you have to say. They're just going to take their own, like their own thoughts in one ear, out the other with yours, and just walk off with their day. So you have a lot of people like that nowadays, and if you're a little bit more open minded, then things might just start to become unified again. That's the way that I see it. And I'm all for like everyone, you know, getting together and there being world peace and stuff like that. But if there's so many differing views in this world, it's going to be harder and harder to do that.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So it's so strange for me because growing up, it was especially my parents beat it into me that we're all equal. You're not better than anybody. Men aren't better than women. Women aren't better than men. Whites aren't better than blacks. You know, Asians aren't like everybody is absolutely equal. And that was mostly my parents. But it was also just like in the community, right? Like we just were all good people. Everybody's a good person. Give everybody a chance. The color of their skin doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if they have a big beard. Everybody's equal. And now it seems like those on the right, the more conservative rural areas just to like. It's just if you aren't a white man, look out dude. Or it's even. I think it's all politics because it's not just what? Like if you were to drive my car in that town, like, where'd you get that boy?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen that. I've seen it happen so many times.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Because if I'm driving around and I'm not in a truck up there, it's like city boy. You don't understand what it's like. Yeah, that was not what it was like growing up. Like, there was still like, you know, a little bit of, like he's a city boy. But now it's like you’re coming. Like, they feel like I'm. We're coming. Like we're going to attack rural America or something like. And they're just so... I don't know, man.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Another thing that I will say, and it kind of popped into my head, is, while other people do to you like, like some people might take advantage of you, for example, I'm just gonna give kind of like a random example of like me and said, girl who broke my heart. I'm not gonna talk to her anymore because of things that she did to me. And I'm not gonna like, let's say, let's say a white girl breaks my heart. True story. White girl breaks my heart. I'm going to stop going for white girls because they all have the same personality. Or at least I think they do. And because of that, it just has kind of scared me. And to every white girl that tries to talk to me, I'm going to shoo them off. Nah, bro.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Like, do you actually do that?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Sometimes it depends. You don't season your chicken. Get the fuck away from me. But like, not actually. But I mean, like in putting this back into terms of what we were talking about.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Is that a qualifying question?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Maybe.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Is that like your opening line? Hey girl, do you season your chicken? Yeah. And if they say, no, no, I eat it. I just eat it with barbecue sauce.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I tell her, shut up. Culture yourself. This is what I'm looking for, a brown girl. Wow. I walk away. Dude, look at this racist motherfucker. No, no, it's not actually like that. But putting it back into terms of what? We were talking like that. No, it's not, I promise it's like that. That's exactly what he just described.}

_{Dylan Ogline: No, no. You cute white girls watching. I'm still looking out for you. But no, it's just like if a certain party or a certain culture or a certain demographic, we'll say, has done something to wrong my demographic. We're going to put our guard up. If someone comes into, let's say, a Spanish guy walks into a white town, and he gets a flat tire and the people of the white town go in and help him change his tire. And the Spanish guy comes by like five days later and basically conquers that whole, like, that whole, like, village. And it's like, all right, no, you guys help me. But like, fuck you, you know? We see that you have resources, and we see that you know how to do things. So we're going to make you work for us. After that, that that whole, like, white village is not going to look at the Spanish people the same. They're gonna be like you wronged us in the past. We're not going to we're not going to give you any benefit of the doubt. So putting this in the same perspective now, if an if the wrong.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Demographic, somebody conquered your city.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Not. No like...}

_{Dylan Ogline: The resources.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah. Like the way that I'm like, looking at it basically is if a demographic fucks with you and not in the right way, then the rest of your own people are going to look at them the wrong way. That's the way it's always worked with Indian culture. And that's the way that I've. I haven't really grown up like that, but I've seen it growing up. And that's why I think people now are very partial to the way they view people nowadays. So putting it into your town in Pennsylvania, they might look at the city boys and be like, oh, like they're just trying to like take, take our land, and build buildings and stuff like that.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Like the way you describe... That was funny.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'm just saying, like, that's the way that I look at it. And that's really the only way I can describe it. If they say, okay, they want to take our land and take everything we own and just build like their own modern shit in front of it. Obviously they're gonna be very, very, like, rude and partial towards that demographic. That's just the way I see it.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So are you completely against all white girls? Because there's one white girl broke your heart?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, I'm taking a break because...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Like, your dating pool is going to get really small. Why? Why is it the white girl? Why isn't it just... Is she blond? Why isn't it just blond girls? Why did you choose this color of her skin?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Because. Because I've talked to different white girls, and they've all been the same. They've all had bland personalities. And this is just a small sample size or...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Or because you got your heart broken. Did you change the way that you interact with white girls so that now when you interact with them, they feel they all feel the same way because of the way you're interacting with them?}

_{Dylan Ogline: It could be. It could be.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You just have to you just have to find out. So if you want to put your shoes into a white girl, I mean, we could roleplay. We could do we could do something. So yeah. You know, Hydro Boys podcast might get a little wet, but I digress.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah. How's your drink, by the way?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah. Oh, it's actually pretty good, like I said. I mean, I'm just imagining this is just some Bud Light. And you really don't like these? No, I actually don't. I do like it. I don't mind it, but this wouldn't be my first drink of choice.}

_{Dylan Ogline: What is your first drink of choice?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Regular water.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That's the ultimate adult.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That's not. That's not bubbly. Like. Oh, I don't know. I don't think I told you I made a I made a pact to myself about a week ago saying I'm going to, like, cut out sodas. I used to have, like, 1 or 2 sodas a day. Cut it all out. Good food, no more fast food. And it's simply either home cooked meals or, like, proper food. Yeah. Chipotle or chick fil A are really the only two like, restaurants I go to. And then everything else is just a basic cleanse. Pay more attention to school. Put my time and effort into something that's a little...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Do you meditate?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I do. How often? Almost every, like, morning. Pretty much every morning. Tried it every night. Just as long as I can. As I can. Just sit peaceful for I pray. You know, I think I thank God for breathing, for the smaller things in life. And then as soon as my concentration breaks, that's when I'm like, all right, time to move on. Go take a shit.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I gotta be right back.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That's my morning routine. That's good. So it's... I definitely, like I've noticed in the past few years, I'm definitely not entitled. And it's not just me saying that, but like, there's been times where I have thought that, hey, I have I've had a lot more fortunate things happen to me than other people, and I need to be thankful for that. I need to make sure that I am taking these and not for granted. You know, the next day, someone like a family member tells me, oh, like my family friend lost their son in a car crash. And it just makes you think twice. Like, every time I open the car door and turn on the car, I'm putting my life at risk. And I don't think like that every little time. Because, you know, that's going to prevent me from making smaller and smaller decisions. But just be thankful for what you have.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Absolutely, man. That's a much better. You'll be much happier.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I agree I've actually seen a very big increase on just me being happy. I've been in the gutters recently just because of school. Like as soon as I moved back from Michigan to Florida, I've had no break. My mental capacity has just gone like that. My dad would make me do stuff for him at the office. I'm his IT technician. I have to say it in that in that accent, I'm his IT technician for his office, and he's been having trouble with, like, the computers. So I've had to go almost like every few days and fix that. Then I've got school. Engineering school is not easy at all. And then on top of that, I'm just doing my own thing, photography, stuff like that. So trying to balance all that stuff has just worn me out. And after I've taken every little thing and just dissected and been like, okay, I need to be, I need to take this one step at a time and be happy about it. Things have started to look up from there. So that's good, man. Okay. Taking notes from you.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So your gratitude is the fastest way to happiness. Absolutely believe that. I agree. So what else, man? What we got...?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So one thing I was actually going to talk about with you, and this is just something that hit my head a couple days ago. I was like, it'd be cool to talk to you about unpopular opinions. Not something that could go radically wrong. Where? Oh, you're wrong and I'm right, but something where it's just we can just have a conversation about it and not have to bring politics and not have to bring anything that might stir a whole different pot. We don't want to get canceled. The story. Yeah, exactly. Yes, yes. I love you, Ellen. I love you, too. So the first, there's a couple topics that I have, and I think there's a couple topics you picked as well, but we basically picked this out from the subreddit. Unpopular opinions. So the first one that I have is... And this actually goes in line with what we were just talking about judging someone for what they have in life is just plain stupid. So my take on it is I agree with that take. You have your own money, you make your own money, you do whatever the fuck you want. You go to a restaurant, and you order chicken and someone three tables down. Orders fish. Are you going to go up and, like, clown them and be like, hey, you fucker, you're eating fish? What the hell? Like you're not going to go out and do that. You're just like, all right, they're eating fish. You know, not my taste. I'm sticking with my chicken. Yeah. Same thing here. You know, someone's both person A and person B have $25,000. Person A goes and buys a 1988 BMW. Person B goes and buys a Rolex. Like, who are they to fight with each other? You have a hitbox like car. And then. Oh, like you spent all your money on a 25,000.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Who's spending $25,000 on 98? Or wait [incomprehensible] or 1988?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You'd be surprised.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Who? Why?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Like restored. Everyone restores their cars. And cars are now becoming like an asset now. Like what you could have bought for, like, $8,000 during the pandemic.}

_{Dylan Ogline: This is not investment advice, but don't buy cars as an asset unless.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It's like the fastest car in the world. Don't do that.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Either. Even that that's.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah, it's. Well, you'll be surprised.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Who's thinking their asset classes.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I don't know. It's just what I see on the internet, man. I see person A bought their car for $30,000, and it's now become a collector item because companies are not making V8's or V10s anymore. So they're like, oh, people want that. I'm going to buy this $30,000 car for $80,000.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That was a very temporary thing.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It'll it's gonna keep fluctuating. I mean, the car market's never stable.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Oh, absolutely. We had over the past, like two years, post pandemic and everything we had. You know, I know multiple people who bought, like my A5. Dude, I bought that for, I think 39 put 15,000 miles on it or something. Two years later, sold it for 38. That's bonkers. Like that's stupid. I know people who bought a neighbor of mine bought a Mach E. I don't know the numbers. Maybe he bought it for 60 and turn around and sold it for, like, 75. Yeah. You know, my brother's always telling me. People who bought the Rivian. Rivian? Yep. The Rivian. Yeah. People who buy those for, you know, 70, 80 and then sell them for a buck 20. Yeah. It's like the market's broken.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It's all on supply and demand. I mean, we I think we talked about this last podcast or something.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I think it was episode one.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Episode one. There you go. So when you have something that other people want and this goes in line here, people will do everything they can to get their hands on it. Whether it's money, whether it's a blowjob under the table, doesn't matter. Like either way. Like people are going to get what they they're going to try to get what they want at any price. So people that see, okay, BMW stopped making this car, which is the most perfect track car that you can ever imagine, and it's sold for $16,000. My grandpa drove one and sold it for five grand, and now I'm going to go and buy this thing for $150,000. To me, it's whack. I'm not. I'm never going to do that. But if I want it really bad, then I'm gonna have to pay years from now.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Sunny's going to do that.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, no, no.}

_{Dylan Ogline: He'll buy the used car for 30 grand. So go back to the Rolex.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So. Yeah.}

_{Dylan Ogline: What's the...? So for me, that's not an unpopular opinion. I grew up, I don't really care if somebody does that.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: There's people that will judge.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Very. Oh, I know people who judge extremely hard. You know, people look at like my Tesla and think I'm a I've had people laugh at me over that or whatever. I've had people I have had people very close to me who bitched me out extremely angry because I didn't buy a nicer car. This is like two years ago and have a big car payment. They were like, why? Why would you do that? Why would you drive around in that when you can afford something much nicer? Those are just stupid examples. But yeah, I mean, I know people who do that. I can't even relate to that at all. This goes back to like my upbringing where like, you just don't judge people. But I do know a lot of people who yeah. Who judge based on what you wear and whatnot, and it's just absolutely stupid. So for me, that's not an unpopular it's a very popular opinion and I appreciate that.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I agree with it. I think that you like I said, people have their own money, their own lives, their own reasoning to buy things. By all means, go, and do it. You know, ten years later, if you're in debt, that's not my problem. But at the same time, I mean, what can I say? So that makes sense. Next one}

_{Dylan Ogline: I don't get to do one.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Oh, if you want, we can do we can do one on one. My bad, I guess. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. My bad, I had four.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Did I send you? Did I send you this?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I have them, yep.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I'm gonna go with one. I think you're gonna like the most. Automakers should stop replacing buttons with massive touchscreens.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I agree. If you know me, I mean, what did I tell you in the hot tub? That not what you think I said that I want, like, a 2010? Yeah, definitely. I want a 2010 car. I love the older cars. And what do they have? They don't have a massive touchscreen. They have buttons. What happens if your car gets short circuited and you can't turn it on or turn it off anymore? Well, you don't have a button like from turn key to push start. That was a great invention. But from now push start to pressing the brake pedal to turn on your car. How the fuck do I not know that my car is going to, like, like turn on? And that's because the whole like, screen thing in your Tesla, for example, like you don't have affirmation that it might be on, or it might not work or something like that. So that's why I don't like the whole tablet thing. Plus it's a big distraction when driving.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Well, I think you might be getting distracted. I think it makes driving better.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, I enjoy driving my cars, whether it's with my hands or my knee. And I like pressing buttons because I know something's on when it's on. I know something's not.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I do miss... So I grew up with the Nokia brick phones, right? I miss I used to be able to be driving down the road, and I could write a whole book of a text message and never look at the screen. You know, driving, looking at the road, completely texting because I had the entire thing. Muscle memory. Right? You know, same thing with your car. You could be driving down the road and click a button, and you just knew where the button was. You knew what it felt, what it felt like. Everything you knew where it was, all that good stuff. You know, that is certainly a lot of magic has been lost with that. At the same time, we're definitely in that transition period. And a lot of things like I look at the car like my Tesla, like the wipers. I know you can do like the temporary with the left stick, but if you want to actually turn your wipers on, you gotta click and then you got to do this. That's dangerous. I think we're in that, like in between there actually. You just put it on the auto setting and you're good. Yeah. You never have to worry about that. So I think it's I think it's just people transitioning. Overall I do think it's safer. It's better. It's just change that you don't like because you're getting old.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'm getting old. You're the... People.... I should be liking the tablets. I'm not a tablet, baby.}

_{Dylan Ogline: People, as they get older, become more conservative and they don't like change because things continue to change faster and faster as we get older. That process is going to continue to change or continue with the, you know, going into the future. But so yeah, I'm not bothered.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: If I was brought up in the 90s, which I wasn't, I mean, even still oh, one if I was brought up during the time where cars like were being produced when I was born, I would definitely say, yeah, I love this change from 2010 to 2020. This is the peak of automobiles because you're getting good technology, you're getting Bluetooth, you're getting all this stuff. And at the expense of old technology, like a dial for your AC. And then now you're moving up to a tablet where everything is automated, everything is automatic. And for me, as an engineer, I love being hands on. I love being able to control every little thing. So...}

_{Dylan Ogline: So let's back up. You're redesigning the car from scratch?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Okay. The objective of the car is to go forward or backwards. Okay. And you have a steering wheel. So the ultimate vehicle. Well, actually, the objective of a vehicle is to take you from point A to point B. The ultimate vehicle is you get in and it does it for you. Maybe you have to tell it, take me to Chipotle, take me to RTV Iceland. But it just does it for you. It opens the garage door for you. It pulls the car out, it adjusts the temperature. Maybe you have to tell it about the temperature. You don't touch it and it just takes you there. That's the ultimate vehicle. I think in 50 years that's what we will be doing probably. You know, I think I think it was Mercedes. It might be Lexus that just came out with one that it's a concept that doesn't have a wheel. You don't drive it, it drives itself. The regulations are going to have to adapt to that, obviously. But I that's the ultimate vision of a vehicle getting to there.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You know, you don't go from, you know, the model T to a car that drives itself. There is a transition period. So you know like the Tesla a lot of what you're supposed to do is talk to it. You know, you're supposed to say adjust the temperature to this, adjust the fan speed. You can say my balls is cold and it turns on the heated seat I love that. Yeah. You know, there's all these things. The objective right now is the car will mostly drive itself and you speak to it, but the voice technology is nowhere near where it needs to be. I look at my house, has Alexa. I don't know how to turn on a lot of my lights in my house. I just talk to Alexa. That was like earth shattering five years ago. Okay. But now it's like, that is a much better way to do it. My lights are all automated. You program it one time, you talk to it, and it's good to go. The cars are going to get there. So I just think we're in that transition period.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'm gonna flip the table on you real quick. Have you ever watched the movie Wall-E?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So do you see what happens?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Have you seen what happens to the people when they... When they have robots do everything they want to them, like how they depict them? They're like lazy pieces of shit that are just floating on the seat, like on a different planet or on a different spaceship to a different planet. Yeah. That's how I imagine life is going to be. And I'm not saying exactly word for word, but people are not going to want to do as much as they as they do now. My dad tells me all the fucking time he's like, what...? Like back in back when I was your age, I would be doing all this myself. And now you just like, use your, your smartphone or you just let, like, you're just lazy. So like, to me, I've always been brought up with the fact that doing things manually, having things in your control is something good. Now, another thing that I was going to say about cars. You know me, I'm a car guy. I love like if I have the opportunity to, like, drive a stick shift car, rowing through the gears. And of course you don't, because you're relying on your fucking tablet to go drive, reverse all that shit. But it's a fun experience and I definitely would encourage you to try it out, but you just feel more engaged with driving yourself. If you have a hockey stick that shoots on its own, you're not engaged. Like let's say you select buttons on your hockey stick, slap shot, wrist shot, snapshot and or deke and you hit. You hit slap shot or something. You're not in touch with the game. You're just pressing buttons to make it to do it. It's doing it for you, right? That's what a hockey stick is for, to shoot the puck.}

_{Dylan Ogline: But doing it all for you.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah, but you don't want that. You want to actually play. You want to actually flex the stick. And I don't know if you flex the stick or if you just shoot wide left every time, but mostly... exactly. There you go. That's my. So maybe you should look into actually being one with the stick. So the same way here I'm one with the...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Stock. Pro stock stick.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That's what you need. Shout out. You know he would be a great podcast guest.}

_{Dylan Ogline: He would be amazing.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Just sit there for two hours...}

_{Dylan Ogline: And I think he would say some just absolutely offensive shit. And I would.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I would be here for it. So we got to get all four of us me, you, Aiden, and Tony all on the same podcast. Yeah, I think that would be good. But yeah, going back to the point, a car, an ideal car for you might be something that takes you from point A to point B with minimal effort. Something to me, something I enjoy is me actually using work get to point B. Yeah, so that's the way that I see it, I just don't I'm all for technology advancing and stuff. I don't want any buttons on my... I don't want to know key. I want my iPhone. I'm happy with it. But at the end of the day, I think being in control with even the smallest of like buttons instead of like instead of a tablet where it's possible, it's definitely worth it. Wow.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You're gonna vote for DeSantis. You're becoming conservative. Hate change all of that.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Who, me?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: We'll see.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So, like, we talked about this in episode one. 152 I think where a lot of change if you go back to 100 years ago, you had horses, right? People probably said the same shit. Like, why would you want a vehicle? What happens if you run out of gas? You have to go get this. The horse that just eats the grass that's right there, like you're good and it'll run forever. You just need to give it gas and water or grass. Grass and water. Wait, what do horses eat? Grass. Right? Grass.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Hay.}

_{Dylan Ogline: See? We don't know.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: They're walking around.}

_{Dylan Ogline: They're walking around. Well, they get here from rural Pennsylvania.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You should know.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I've never been on a horse. I don't think so. Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You've been on a Tesla, though. Yeah. City boy.}

_{Dylan Ogline: But yeah, I just see now there's going to be bumper stickers someday that say 100% fuck Dylan.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah.}

_{Dylan Ogline: He lives in his mom.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'm gonna advocate for that. I'm gonna I'm gonna be the one making those on Redbubble.}

_{Dylan Ogline: But if you go back, people hated that change, right? Like, there's no way, you know, we're gonna... Vehicles aren't going to catch on the internal combustion engine. You have to have gas, right? The horse is so much more reliable. Anytime you have these technological Innovations that you're going to have people who push back on it. So, you know, I kind of the changes are going to come, right? Change is always going to be happening. So it's better to just embrace it. You know, I don't know how to turn the lights off. And I'd have to go search for all the buttons.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You're going to go search around your whole house just to turn off like the patio lights.}

_{Dylan Ogline: But how often do I ever have to do that? Right now, I just talk to it. And that is so much more convenient. Am I a libtard? Because I don't know where all my light switches are? I mean, I don't think so. I don't think that somebody who knows where all their light switches, if.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Something goes wrong in your house, and you don't know where the light switch is that caused that, that shortage, right. What do you what are you going to tell the electrician?}

_{Dylan Ogline: The electrician. If the electricity goes out, why don't you have candles like they used to have? Exactly. That was an innovation. We went from.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Thinking of candles when that light switch caused a fire. Okay.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah, you're absolutely right. But when the electricity goes out, like we just had hurricane, the electricity goes out. You're going to be wondering, man, I wish I had those candles, the candle lights like they used to have.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I have candles.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I have candles too, Sunny. Good. The point is, is that that was an innovation. And people were like, oh my God, it's just like directions. You know, I don't really know how to get around a lot of, like, Orlando without Google Maps. Okay. Used to be you'd have an actual physical map. Well, I did back in the day, and that's just the way it was. Now you just rely on Google Maps. Well, what happens if Google Maps is down? Well, you're inconvenienced. Just be like, if your car breaks down, your horse didn't break down. You're inconvenienced. So I don't think that...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'm going to give you one more perspective on this, and then we can move on to the next one. Just because this is something that's been kind of itching under my skin on my list. Okay. It's there. Race car. Race cars are supposed to be light. They strip everything out of a regular car to just make it as it is. If you have, let's say you let's say you buy a nice Porsche and you have all these buttons, you have this tablet and all that stuff. That's what's in the regular car. You look at the race car, everything is just like ripped out, taken out. If people want to use that car that has a big tablet in it as a race car, they're slightly inconvenienced. Oh, about having a tablet in there.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That's hold back all progress in the world because people who make.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: How about we reach it? How about we reach a mutual decision since none of us actually build cars, and we say that you have an option of getting a touch screen and or you could have buttons or just a plain stock.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Maybe you should petition GM for that.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I mean, they are they are doing that. But that's why I want to go in the performance division. You hear that, Stu?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Hey, Elon. I will take my touchscreen. It's pretty nice, I like it.}

_{Like, that'd be cool. Sure.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Next. Unpopular opinion. And this one's a little bit lighter on the debate. When people get married, whoever's last name sounds cooler is the one that gets kept. Like, imagine, like, I don't know, you have, like, a really cool last name. That sounds really cool. Something that's not Oberlin. Maybe. Chawla. Chawla. Okay. That's a pretty sick name. Yeah. And you've got another person whose last name is like Smith. And let's say the girls. The girls. All right, we'll just use the girl's Chawla.}

_{Dylan Ogline: My name is Smith.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That's a personal decision, man. Yeah. And there's no laws that say that you have to take them...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: But it's commonplace for people to take like the man's last name. And like, I'm all for expanding the family. You know, like if my wife future wife has a super long Indian last name like they tend to have, I'm not going to give that up for or I'm not going to give my last name up for that. Yeah, I.}

_{Dylan Ogline: A good friend of mine, my best friend... And his wife got married, his wife kept I don't think she took any part of his last name. I think she just kept her. Or she may be used it as, like a last name with a hyphen. Yeah, they do that sometimes. That's a personal choice, man. I'm not bothered by it. Me that's like a line. I don't want to say it's a line in the sand, but like. No, like I want, I want my wife to have my last name. Not like a sexist thing. It's more like, I like...}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Built a brand around my last name.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Well, there is that, too. I mean, this is a company name. What do you want me to do, baby? No. I view like that's the only... That's the best thing that a man has to offer. It's like, please marry me. Yeah. And like, wow, that was a really bad, like, ape voice.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Terrible.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yes. But yeah, like, that's all men have to offer is their last name. I yeah, a lot of feminists will take it as it's suppressing women in some form. I take the viewpoint that women are far superior to men. The whole idea that we're equal is absolute. The idea that men and women are equal is absolute nonsense. Women are far, far superior to us. So it's like this one thing that we can offer. Like, I'm a bumbling idiot, but I have a name. There you go. So please marry me. So I think it's Yeah. For me, I would definitely want my wife to. To take me to take my last name. that's a symbol. What about you?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Same here. I mean, not because I built a platform off of it, but I don't know. It's just like, I feel like I've already become one with my last name. I wouldn't want any other name to it. What about them?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Take their viewpoint.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Sucks for them. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. No, no. I mean.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Someday, like, right before your wedding, I'm gonna play that clip right there.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Sucks for them. Sorry. Already have them brainwashed. I feel like shit.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Wow. This whole section is going to your future bride. Know what you're getting into?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No, I do know. It's for me. I mean, if they bring up the idea, I mean, I won't be against it. But if they want to keep their last name, by all means, as long as you have that ring on your finger. But for me, I wouldn't change my last name. I would just keep it as my full name since I don't have a middle name either. So I've always been. That's always been like one phrase to me is just my full name. Two words. That's it. So for me to change that. Like, like I've taken like potential girls that I would marry and just kind of put my last name next to them and be like, that doesn't have a good ring to it. Or, oh, that sounds like a really good ring. But like, sometimes I've kind of thought about that, but I'm just like, all right, dude, like, I need to chill.}

_{Dylan Ogline:  out of the date with Beth. And like Beth. Chavela. No, no, that doesn't work. that's really the line in the sand for you.  Wow. I don't even not.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Not actually, but, like, eventually you get used to it. You're like, oh, okay. That makes more sense. Like, for example, like...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Listen, our names are compatible. So we have to get married.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: It's like. It's like astrology, but different. Fucking Chavela rising. Do you do the astrology shit?}

_{Dylan Ogline: No. Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: There is some girl I was. I was in the line to get some food at UCF. And there was some girl who said it was raining yesterday and he wanted to hang out. He's such a Scorpio. Like, what the fuck does that? What does that mean? I don't know what that means either. And I posted that on my on my story on Snapchat. And some girl actually swiped up and was supporting it, and I was like, no fucking way. Like, they actually believe this, that, like, she was like, yeah, my boyfriend's a Scorpio. And like, he wants to hang out when it's raining outside. What kind of fucking relevance does that have? And does it make any sense to me? Yeah. Like, believe what you want to believe. I'm not going to, like, get down on it, but at least believe in something that makes sense. Like the Lacroix can is yellow. That's why I'm such a Sagittarius. Or your bottle has online digital. I'm such an aquarium. Doesn't fucking make sense, bro. Yeah, so that to me, doesn't make any sense. And that's why, like, I don't I don't believe really in. So I do think.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That is an unpopular opinion that the name[incomprehensible] but yeah man to each his own. If you want to take your wife's last name because it's cooler. So go for it. I'm all for that. I think a lot of people would get offended by that, though. Yeah. So it is unpopular.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'm just like I think in opinions like this one where you would say like, oh, society or other people are going to think like lower of you. I've adopted this mentality recently of just fuck what everyone else thinks, just do what you want to do. And it makes a lot of these opinions a lot easier if you ask, like fourth grade Sunny, who is heavily favored by what his dad thought of him and like whether he was like known by if he gets straight A's or not. Like I would definitely be like, oh no, like whatever, whatever's acceptable by society, that should be what it is. But like, now that, you know, obviously I have my own mind to think and I'm just like, bro, I've done shit that's questionable to other people. That would be like, well, why would you spend money on that? Or why would you do this? Why would you do that? Like, bro, fuck you. Let me do what I want and that's it. Let me get buttons in my car. Fuck your touch screen.}

_{Dylan Ogline: The touch screen is superior. No. Yes it is. News should be a dry fax if it isn't. Well, I'm really fucking this section up. If it isn't, then it's an opinion intended to stir your emotions into clouding your judgments.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That's a lot of words that you picked up from your Merriam-Webster dictionary today.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I didn't write.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So I think that news should be just a recitation of facts. Like, you take a look at Tucker Carlson. Sure. I yeah, sure. I mean, you take a look at that, you take a look at other news outlets. Every, like, news outlet has its own bias. Yeah. Like, I mean, there's hardly things these days that don't have bias. Everyone affiliates CNN with liberals, everyone affiliates Fox with Republicans. And you just have this whole shit show of like, oh, they're saying fake news. They're saying fake news. How about you just say the facts include numbers. Include things that have already been stated before that are actually realistic and tend to the topic. I think that would make the world a lot of a better place. Let people do their own speculation if they want, but as long as you're doing your own thing to just get the point across, that's what matters. The problem is ratings, money, all this other stuff that makes these companies want to skew the story just a little bit. I'm going to tell you a story about how I got to school, but I want to make you laugh. So I'm just going to make a few hinges and say, I rode a magic carpet to school and you're going to laugh about it. But that doesn't make it true, does it? No. So there you go. Same thing with the news. I think that it's like I've been saying this because other people have asked, like, what side are you on? What news channel do you watch? Who the fuck cares? I get my I get my facts. I wake up in the morning and I'll read some stuff on my phone about like...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Where do you read?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Where do I read?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: The news app that comes on the iPhone and occasionally Instagram, Twitter, and Motor Trend.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That was one of the other topics that I wanted to ask about is where do you get your news from?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Most of it is all just like... It's like news on iPhone or like, what is it, Apple news? Other like big, verified accounts, I guess, that have already had all these things reported from other like news outlets. They post it to make it a bigger, bigger scene. That's where I like when things become common knowledge. That's where I start to get to know about it. I unless it's something that I'm very, very like speculative about or something that I really am interested in, I won't go out of my way to go find news if it shows up on my phone, great. If not, ignorance is bliss. Like I might not care about what's happening to the Kentucky the Kentucky debate or like the whole polls, votes and all that stuff. Like I don't care. But if something huge comes up where someone hacked into it, I'm like, okay, that's cool. that's it. So for me, I don't really go into depth unless it's something that I really want to know. Hence Motor Trend.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Most college age kids like yourself. Where do you think most of them are getting their information?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Instagram, Twitter, social media, I should say a lot of them, like I said, they've been proven wrong. Like they have like different. They say the more popular perspectives when a more realistic and actual perspective was made. College kids love to make their own stories up and to twist the ball as much as they want to. And when they start posting that on their stories and stuff, other people kind of hop on the bandwagon to like, oh no, this is wrong, this is wrong. And then you got the people that actually know the facts because they've done research and they're like, said person never said this. Like, what are you talking about? So it's stuff like that, that I see college kids do. They just kind of see it and they're like, oh, this is it. There's meme accounts that, like, make memes all the time about, like, they'll edit the Twitter text and it'll say, like, Elon Musk said this, and people will actually believe it. And they'll and they'll post it on their story. And other people are like, oh my gosh, he said this. How about you check the source? How about you go to Twitter, go to Elon Musk's Twitter, and see did he say this? No, he did not. So it's like it's just that taking that extra step to verify if things are right. If I see something very controversial on someone's story, I'm going to go to like the root source and see, did they say this?}

_{Dylan Ogline: So what you're describing is very... Like most people don't have the time to do that, right? Yeah. Most people don't have the time or go with people are just too lazy, right? You know, you go back to when I was born, right? You would. People are naturally. It's not that people are more lazy today. People are naturally going to take the easy route. That's human nature, right? Just like it's easier to have a touch screen in your car.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You wouldn't let that go up?.}

_{Dylan Ogline: It's far superior with, you know, you go back to when I was born, people would come home from work, they would turn on their local news and they would get their news, and they would trust it, because those sources couldn't be, you know, you couldn't turn on channel six. News is the big thing where I grew up, right? You couldn't turn on channel six and they couldn't show a segment saying, Elon Musk says, I don't know, I like to eat babies for dinner because, like, journalistic standards and like, everybody would get fired if they did that, right? So there was by all means, like, no matter what, there's going to be a certain amount of bias. Like even at the best of times in our history, you know, the best newspapers, the best, you know, cable news people, whatever. There's always going to be a certain amount of bias, and that's just human nature. But overall, they kind of were controlled because they couldn't lie, because people would call them out on it, right? But you have people and it's not just college students, dude. I know a lot of, oh, 40 year old adults, 50 year olds who get their news from Instagram, get their news from Facebook, they see a post and they just consider it to be fact. How do you how do you think we fix that.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That's like trying to say like how do you fix world or how do you get world peace. You're going to have so many different outlets. So many people are entitled to what they want to say. And just like how we were explaining earlier in the episode, you can post whatever you want as long as it's not too vulgar and get away with it. It all comes down to how are how are agencies going to get fact checked? You know, just going on Instagram and putting that fact checker plug in and saying this is wrong or this doesn't provide context. It's not going to do anything. But I think the bigger the bigger companies that control most of the news, the common ones CBS, NBC, Fox, CNN, all of them, they can at least do their part by showing where they got like basically taking it back to seventh grade. Cite your sources. Where did you get this from? Did you just make this shit up on the spot or is it something that might have been actually relayed first person show like you see all the time, like they show little clips while they're talking on the on channel six news where they'll talk about Senator Marco Rubio or something like that. And then all of a sudden it'll show like a blank video of or a video of him, but that's muted. You don't know what he's saying in that. But like, you have the power to voice it over. He could be saying, I eat babies for dinner for all I know, but actually showing the source of what he was saying that might help a little bit more because you're seeing it first.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Problem is ratings. Like why is Tucker do so good, right? Because he gets up there and he gives his opinion. People want to hear opinions they don't want to hear. You know unemployment is down this month. They want to hear you know Biden is sending all these illegal immigrants to come take your jobs and you know.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Well then don't call it news, call it my opinion, solved.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Are you gonna regulate that?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I'm not.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Do you think it should be regulated?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I think it should be regulated.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So you want to regulate the news.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: In a way that it's actually factual? Yes. I'm not going to sit up here and advocate for opinions that are seem to be true. Because then you see what happens. More divide happens. You see people like choose picking sides over a situation that should be blatantly one sided. And like it's all because people are giving other opinions. People are allowed to voice their opinions, of course. But when if I come up here on this podium and I say I work for CNN and I'm going to say that the election was rigged, someone takes a clip of that and post it online and they can't, like, identify me. And I pretend I'm Sanjay Gupta, then that's it. It's game over. I have already said that, and CNN just starts getting like flamed for it. That's a lie. I didn't I didn't show my sources. I didn't show that I'm not Sanjay Gupta. But like the ball rolls more and more. So obviously when you saw when you tried to patch one thing, another leak comes out and it's hard to regulate it. But I would definitely say it should be something should be said to where you give the facts and then you blatantly show this is our opinion or this is what we think. Not by saying it on, on the like on.}

_{Dylan Ogline: People would just say you'd have Fox News or CNN. Everything is this is our opinion. They would have like a little disclaimer at the bottom. This is our opinion. Good.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: And that's the way it should be.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I think that's not going to change anything.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: If people don't read hard enough. Probably not. How many times do you go through your professors like literally like work and like all the directions and stuff. You see those typos? I don't know if you've ever looked at the bottom. It should say copyright your professor's name 2013. Yeah. Because they don't change anything, and you never see that. So you're like, I don't give a fuck. He's just stupid. So like, going back to this, I personally don't think that that opinion should be stated as the news. There's like Instagram accounts that are like that literally say like the real news or something like that. And they just all they do is post slides about actual factual things that have happened. 13 die in this bombing or the stock market is up 12% or something. Little inklings like that that actually give you the news and not just an opinion of it, is what I think should be like regulatory.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah, I think like the memes are a big problem because as people scroll through their Instagram and their Facebook's and their TikTok’s or whatever, they see stuff. And you know, like you said, it's happened to me, it's happened to Elon. Anybody where people will take your Twitter and add a fake quote. And it's like I never said that there. It actually comes back like it's a much bigger problem that there are major publications that have articles about me with quotes from me. I never said.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Then why don't you contact them and tell them, when did I say this? Because there's no.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Such thing as bad PR.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Fair enough.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I mean, really like, it's one of I won't go beyond that, but it's one of the most major news publications that has covered me. And it's just not a quote by me. Like, I never said those words. I don't necessarily disagree with it. So but what are you going to do? Like it's just the world we live in. But going back to the bigger picture I think this is this is one of the challenges. This is like climate change level of a challenge. Dude. This is one of the challenges of our time. Not just the United States, but worldwide. You can literally like, if you watch Owen, which is just the most right wing that I know, or watch Infowars, you live in a completely different version of reality than somebody who watches CNN. Like you're gone. You are the everything is bad. Democrats have never done anything good. The world sucks. You know, all immigrants are bad. All brown people are bad. Now they're getting on the Jews like it's fucking bad. And then over here, it's a completely different version of reality. Okay, that is a big, big problem. And that is the reason for the division in this country. If you look back, if you look at history, right, if you look at the Civil War as an example, back then everybody got their news from the newspaper and that was it.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Right. But this is about the time where, like, newspapers started to become really cheap. And you could be, you know, it's relatively small towns, which everything was small towns back then. You could have a relatively small town and there could, you could easily print two versions of the newspaper. You could have one publication that was conservative, which was the Democrats at the time. And then you would have the more liberal anti-slavery. At the time, all it was slavery, right? So you had the slavery version, which was the Democrats, and then you had the anti-slavery Whig Party was actually what they called, and then eventually they became the Republican Party. They lived in different versions of reality, dude, and they could afford to do that because the Democrats the slave pro slavery, they wanted to hear that version of reality. They weren't going to buy the other version of the newspaper. And literally it was bad back then. Like they would call for violence. Like, imagine if you picked up the Orlando Sentinel and they were like, you know, some Republican senator got beat and they were like, this is awesome. Like, you would be shocked, right? That happened back then, dude. Like there were times where Democrats or it's confusing because they switched sides. Republican. Your Whig party members would get beaten, you know, for their anti-slavery opinions. And the pro-slavery newspapers were just like, fucking eat that up. And they loved it.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: But people knew exactly that if they read this newspaper.}

_{Dylan Ogline: But they didn't. They didn't.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Oh, okay.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Because you got to keep in mind like that's the News. Okay. That's your version or vision into the world, right? So if all you're fed and this was this happened back then, they would the anti-slavery newspapers and they would all do the same thing. The pro-slavery one would be like, if you read that, that's fake news. They didn't use the term fake news. I'm sure it happened a couple times, but that wasn't a big thing back then. But they would, you know, that's all fake stuff over there. That's not actually what's happening. This is what's actually happening. It was the exact same thing back then. So you lived in this different version of the world. And of course, after the Civil War, and this is history with Dylan and Ahmed. Then after the Civil War, you know, you had more radio and whatnot, which was more expensive. So they couldn't afford to appeal to just such a specific. And then, you know, obviously World War II happened and stuff like that. But if you go back like the same shit that was happening then is happening now. And like I said, I think that is the challenge of our time. I have heard nobody come up with a decent solution. Yeah. I mean.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Because if you come up with a possible solution, like for example, let's regulate the news, you have ten other loopholes that need to be like tended to in order to fix that. And like what you were talking about, how people have their own views of things. Congratulations. You've now answered why, like the people from your town are more like in that depressive state. Why are they always rude to you? Because they are living their own reality. You live in your own reality and then that's just how the ball rolls. Everyone will live on their in their own reality. Like take it from a college kid. I don't want to look at my grades because they might be absolute shit. So I'm just going to live in my reality that, oh, I'm doing fine, you know? We're good, I'm broke as hell, and I just keep swiping my credit card. I'm not gonna, like, Face the World. Exactly. I'm not going to face things that might bring my high down because it helps me live. It helps me stay stable.}

_{Dylan Ogline: As a young college student, do you worry about that division in our country?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah, all the time. I mean, these are the people that I see that are activists towards a certain party or a certain side. Even looking up at the news and getting fed news that might not be real or that might be real or might be stretched. These are people that I'm directly in contact with or I would be directly in contact with. I might work with them. They might be my uppers, they might be my lowers. They might be people that give me a life and death decision or something that might hinder me living anything that happens in this world, it's going to come to an effect with me at some point in life. So if someone's feeding wrong news or someone is living their own reality, and that puts me at jeopardy. I'm not for that. So I'm definitely concerned. Very.}

_{Dylan Ogline: It's a challenge of our time.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I agree. I think that's a big one. I agree. And we should start by putting buttons in cars.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I think if everybody just had a touchscreen and they could talk to their car, it would just be much more peaceful.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Just add three buttons underneath.}

_{Dylan Ogline: For what?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I don't know.}

_{Dylan Ogline: What are the three buttons? Do whatever you want them to do. I'm pretty sure I have three buttons in my car.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Hey, Tesla, jerk me off. Hey, Tesla! My balls is hot. Hey, Tesla. Okay. Did you just press the button?}

_{Dylan Ogline: A 88 BMW. Have a jerk me off button.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I mean, you can create one. Yes.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I am looking at the wrong internet version.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You're looking at the wrong cars to buy, my man. I was those cup holders. Come out with a grasp, bro.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Oh, man.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: And then I guess we'll go for one more topic each. Go ahead. The. My topic that I have is rejection. Doesn't get much easier. This is something. Is this specifically with dating?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Is that what the reference?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah, this was the reference. This is something that I wanted to talk about because it just keeps coming up as a topic of interest between people that I talk to along with, I think just our podcast in general. I mean, we spent a good 20, 30 minutes last podcast episode just talking about dating and the do's and don'ts according to you.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Years of wisdom.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So many years back in the Civil War and all that. Right? So rejection doesn't get much easier. This is like, I'm someone who got rejected a lot. And people say that. Oh, it just gets easier. Like, every time you hear. No, or you hear like, you're like, you're the perfect guy, but you're just a better friend or something like that. People think it gets easier to just hear it all the time. You know, if you get praised for the same thing, like, oh, he's the one who created the computer, and then you just hear that for years and years on end, it's going to eventually get old and be like, yeah, I'm the one who built the computer. Great. Whatever. It's the same thing with rejection, I think. Yeah. What's your take on it and how do you deal with it?}

_{Dylan Ogline: It comes down to your both the same answer. It comes down to your internal monologue, which we talked about this in episode 212.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I think it's fucking up numbers. I haven't edited yet.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah. 212 is not live yet. It comes down to we talked about in that episode small wins. Like paying attention to your wins, right? Paying attention to the to the monologue. So that's using the context of dating. You know, you come up to a girl and she rejects you or whatever. Try to find some small win in that, right? Did she smile at you? Whatever. And when you go into those situations, you if you go into that and you're thinking about all the times that you've been rejected before, you're going to get rejected, right? You're not going to have any confidence. But if you go into that situation and you're thinking about all the times that you've won, that you picked up the girls number, you went on a date with her, whatever, you're going to have a lot more confidence.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: But then what if the end result is the same? You get rejected, you're rejected.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That's fine. You you're going to have that. You have to control the internal monologue and pay attention to your wins. If you haven't got a girl's number before, find something. It could literally be fucking anything in your life that was a positive. That one time I looked in the mirror and I thought my shirt looked great. Whatever. Start wherever you have to be and then just start to scale up from there. Man, it's just the same thing as business and sales. You, you, if you pay attention to all the times you got rejected on a sales call and you go into a sales call thinking about that, it tell you you're not going to sell anybody, right. But if you think about all the times that you've sold people, you're going to have, it's kind of like The Sixth Sense, dude. You're going to have this, this confidence that can't really describe, you know, you can't there's not an instruction manual for it. So you just have to ignore all the times that you've been rejected. And I think another important aspect is just realize, try to find maybe other people who have talked about it who you think are successful. I mean, I'm thinking more along the lines of business.}

_{Dylan Ogline: You know, let's say you're, you know, struggling to find success. Well, find somebody you look up to. It might be Elon Musk, whatever, and find all the times that they failed. If you're trying to pick up girls, try to find somebody who you think is really successful, you think is a pickup artist or whatever you I'm sure there's YouTube channels for that. Find that person and try to find where they've talked about failure and realize that the person that you're that you want to emulate, you know, how many women have you gone up to? 20? They've probably gone up to 2000, right? They didn't find their success in the first. The first 20. This could be sales calls. This could be dating. This could be business. All of this stuff. You got to pay attention to the times that you've won, and you got to look at other people and realize that they've the people that you think are so successful, they've actually probably failed way more than you. That's the only difference. the people who you think that's a good one, the people who you think are so successful. The only difference is that they have failed way more than times that you have tried.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I said this last podcast, I'm gonna say it again, I'm framing this. No, that's I think a really good way to look at it. I mean, the way that I, the analogy, I should say that gets me with this is if I keep studying for an exam and I understand one concept, I keep understanding it. And then I go to the test, and I get a 30 I and then I go into the next test, and I get a 30. I go to the next test, I get a 40. Like I'm gonna keep like I can celebrate my little wins, saying, oh yeah, I was able to understand that A or A squared plus b squared is C squared, but I keep getting integrals and derivatives wrong. What am I going to do? So changing your approach and looking at the nitty gritty I think is a really good way to kind of tackle that.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I definitely think with, with sales and women sales and dating, this could be, you know, you're a woman trying to date whatever. They are so alike. Like a lot of it comes down to confidence. A lot of it just comes down to paying attention to your previous shit. A good friend of mine who now has a successful business. He once came to me for this advice. He was doing sales calls, trying to over summarize here. He was doing sales calls and just sucked, right? He did like first 15 of them didn't sell anybody. Right? And he needed to have like a I think it was like a 20% close rate for this particular business model to be successful. And the guy who we both learned sales from had done like 1500 sales calls right before he, like, made this training or whatnot. So he comes to me and he's like, oh, man, you know, I'm really struggling with my sales. Like, I suck at it or whatever. And I'm like, dude, like, you've done 15. Okay, go do a hundred of them, okay. And then tell me, you know, that you actually have a problem because more than likely you just haven't tried enough. So you have to pay attention to the winds, go into it with some confidence and yeah, you'll eventually find some success.}

_{Dylan Ogline: What I did for sales I don't have a... You know, I do have a one for, for dating that you could probably watch. But what I did when I first started doing sales calls, before every call, there's one of two scenes that I would watch from two movies. There's some scene in Boiler Room. Have you ever seen Boiler Room? It's about stock trading. Great movie. You should watch it. There's some scene in there that I would watch. 3 or 4 minute clip, right? I would watch that before my sales call, and it would just get me pumped up. Or the Wolf of Wall Street speech. I would watch that one where...? Fuck. I can't remember what he says, but he gets, like, up in the camera like this and stuff like that. I would watch that to get pumped up for my sales call and doing the same business model as my friend I was talking about, I think like my third one, I sold. Well, that was enough, dude. So, you know, if you've kissed a girl or whatever, pay attention to that when you're going to pick up a girl. When you're going on a date, talk to her. A good movie you could watch to get pumped up for it is crazy. Stupid love.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Oh, okay. I have crazy.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Stupid Love is a good movie. It's Ryan Gosling. Plays like a pick up artist, right? If you're looking to, you know, don't be a player. I don't think that's good. But if you're if you're struggling to date, watch that movie and just get pumped up. I don't know what scene in that particular movie, but I think that could probably give you some confidence. that's your Wolf of Wall Street speech. Watch that movie before you go on a date and just have a little bit of confidence.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So crazy, stupid love will resolve rejection will resolve rejection.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Absolutely. Go tell all your friends that will do. Yes. And pay attention to their wins. Let's see here. So we got how much time we got? Probably like 15 minutes, right? Yeah. Yeah. You're recording time is 138. Thanks. Thanks, Brian. I'm making sure that's sticking in the episode, buddy. Yeah, we need to get a camera on him. I'm saying boy, what else? Do we want to do an unpopular opinion?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: If you want.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Or do you want to do investing?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: So investing the way that I see this is, I know, next to nothing except for what you've told me before. So I'm not going to be able to say much about it. But if you want to go out and, you know, take the mic.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Did you buy that book?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I have not yet. I will soon.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Everybody listening. Go buy... What's it called? Oh, dude. Dude. Oh! Oh. The problem is, it's almost one, and I haven't had my coffee yet. Tony Robbins. It's by Tony Robbins. Okay. I gave you the book to... Yeah, it's not.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: I took a picture of it.}

_{Dylan Ogline: And Peter Mallouk is...}

_{Dylan Ogline: Unshakable.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Unshakable. Yes. Tony Robbins, Peter Mallouk. Unshakable. Justin's going to put up a graphic. Where are you putting it, Justin? Here, here. Where is he putting it? Anyways, read that book. It's a very basic book. You probably read it 3 or 4 hours, something like that. Simple terms. One thing that we didn't talk about in the hot tub when we were totally clothed. I-bonds is something that I think anybody could get into. So i-bonds are, you know, Treasury bonds are right. So they're like Treasury, but I don't know what that stands for. But they're like treasury bonds, but they're tagged to inflation. So right now they are annual interest rate is I think like 9.6% or something like that on Treasury bonds dude. These are bonds backed by the US full faith of the US government. Like if they go bad on that, you got bigger problems than money, right? Like, people are hunting each other for food. Okay. So I think anybody if you have some extra cash and you're looking to do some investing, which, by the way, I am not an investment advisor. Don't listen to me. I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing. He doesn't.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Even know that I-bonds don't know what inflation.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Exactly. If you listen to this advice right now, you will lose all of your assets. You're going to be homeless if you listen to my advice. So don't listen to Dylan's investment advice because I'm not an investment advisor.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: We just used to talk about this to fill up time.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah, that's all we're doing right here. We're just guys that are talking. I would buy some I-bonds is what I would do. I actually try buying a new set like they have a cap and their websites crashing because the interest rate is so high. It's like just Google I-bonds and you can buy them treasurydirect.gov or something. You're buying bonds from the government that have a 9% interest rate. Dude, go buy that shit. But what we talked about in the hot tub when we were partially clothed.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Went from fully to partially.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Now it's this one night, Sunny came over to my house after a hockey game, and we spent two hours in the spa just chilling. Dude, I was so waterlogged after that. Anyways you're going to get it wrong. Which you'll learn this in unshakable. You're going to get your investments wrong. I know a lot of young people, a lot of college people are talking about crypto. And you know, Robinhood made it really easy for everybody. You could set it up on your phone, you could put five bucks in or something like that. And you had like, you know, people with massive amounts of college debt buying GameStop. Okay. Buying some stonks. Why the hell do they call them? Stonks.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Stonks. I love that. I love it too. It's my favorite meme. Stonks. Stonks.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I'll say that. Like stonks to like older people in my family or whatever. Like, yeah, I bought some stonks last night and they were like, what the fuck is a stonks? This guy is high. What you'll learn in unshakable is you're going to always be wrong. The smartest people in the world, they end up in Wall Street. And if you look at, you know, take that, take it over the long term. If you look at right now, the back go back ten years ago, you can find in Wall Street Journal, Barron's, whatever top ten hedge fund managers or whatever top ten fund managers like. These people are the best in the world. They're unstoppable, right? If you were to take those top ten people, like nine out of the ten of them underperformed, just buying broad market index funds, right. The lesson there is those people are the smartest people in the world. You probably aren't the smartest person in the world. So do you think that you're going to be able to beat them? Probably not. And if you did make some short term bets that actually won, it was just fucking luck and realize that the best thing long term, which again, I'm not an investment advisor. Don't listen to me. The best thing long term is broad market index funds, which is what I do.}

_{Dylan Ogline: What I would not recommend to you because you shouldn't listen to my advice. Brian don't listen to this. Is just buy broad market index funds. I personally have a mix. All I did, which I told you about this before, all I did was I googled, like, I think it was like Warren Buffett or Bill gates top recommended index funds. And they, you know, there's multiple articles that talk about the same shit. And they both had like ten index funds, low cost index funds that they recommended. Different mix. I just kind of chose what I liked. And you know, I have maybe 15% in global, 15% in tech, you know, 20% in, you know, blue chips and stuff like that. You're not... If you bet on the long term prosperity of the American and global economy over the next year, you might lose money. Over the next two years, you might lose money over the next 20 years. That is a bet that has never not paid off. So bet in the long term prosperity. Don't pick individual stocks and buy some bonds. Rather, while they're hot.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: What's your... Do you know what acorns is?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Acorns. Yeah. The little things that fall from trees.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: No dumbass. the actual app. So it basically lets you invest. And what I've used it for is it's like....}

_{Dylan Ogline: It's like Robinhood isn't it? I have not.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Necessarily. So basically they used commercials to kind of market where let's say you buy a sandwich for 5.95 acorns, rounds it up to $6 and takes that $0.05 and invests it. And what I used it for because, like I said, I had no prior experience to investing. I was just told by a family friend like, hey, look into this. It's pretty cool. And if you have, you know, the money to, to kind of spare, then every time you purchase something, those extra few cents will go in and kind of kind of count for it. And it basically just takes that money, and it invests it where it invests, I don't know, but what do you what do you think about that kind of scheme towards investing instead of picking out your own types of bonds, like I-bonds, or picking up your own, or picking out your own kinds of like funds, just letting the computer do its thing or letting whoever runs acorns do its thing over the long term.}

_{Dylan Ogline: So, so one with what my strategy is to point this out. I picked it out 3 or 4 years ago. I don't remember 40 years from now, I plan on owning the same shit, right? Like it wasn't like, oh, I'm taking a look at it all the time. Like, that's part of what you learn in unshakable is like, you pick it, you set it, and you forget it. I think anything that gets people kind of involved is probably a good thing, right? So if you're just like, getting involved in and getting excited about investing and like investing in the long term prosperity, I think that's probably a good thing, right? So I wouldn't be opposed to that. The problem with kind of like those apps or like, again, I don't know enough about Acorn, but based on like kind of what you're describing, they probably have a fuck ton of fees which fees will eat you alive. So that would probably, you know, I wouldn't make that my main investing strategy. But if it's getting you a little bit in the game, I think that's okay. Kind of backing up, though, to, like, not investing, but just, like, personal finance advice. I know a lot of people who they have credit card debt that they're paying 20% interest on, and they they're making the minimum payment on that, but they're investing $500 a month in the market. You know, they have a good job. They're making decent money. They're paying their rent or their mortgage. They're taking $500 a month putting in there, you know, 401 K, but they have thousands of dollars in credit card debt that they're paying 20% interest on.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Right? Well, pay off your debt first. Like unless it's like a low interest rate, something that has a long term prosperity of increasing in value, such as, like, I don't know, a house. Pay those things off first before investing. I think that's probably, again, don't listen to me. I think that's probably a good a good idea. It comes back to what we talked about, I think in episode 18. A lot of it comes back to being honest with yourself. So do you have self-control? So if you're so bad with your finances that if you have an extra $500 in your checking account at the end of the month, you're going to go blow it on some games or, you know, some whatever. Then you need to come up with a more automated investing strategy, whatever that is. Whether it's something that you know, the company you work for takes it out of your paycheck. Find what that solution is and be brutally honest with yourself, which most people do not have the self-control. I was always interested in personal finance and stuff, so I do have a decent level of discipline with that. So I don't have an automated strategy like that other than I think I do 6000 a year to a Roth IRA because tax reasons or whatever. Beyond that, I have a very like customized solution to how much money goes into it. But did that answer your question about the app?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yes I did. Honestly, like kind of taking your own, your own strides with it and not letting like letting it be kind of like a passive way to invest would definitely be great because, I mean, what are you going to do with an extra $0.02 or $0.03 in your in your bank account? But at the same time making sure you make the right moves, just like you were saying, you're going to be wrong. You're not you're not going to be able to just go in and say, oh yeah, I'm better than all of these investors because I just keep banking money. That's pretty much always luck. So just making sure you make the right moves and waiting for the long run. I mean, if a college kid can understand that, I'm sure anyone can. Yeah.}

_{Dylan Ogline: One other thing. And this applies for everybody with investing more. So personal financing. Which one more time? Don't listen to me. I have no idea what I'm doing. Beyond paying off your credit card debt and stuff, a lot of people don't have, like, any cash reserves, and that gets a lot of people. I mean, it happened to me. I wasn't investing, but like so many times you start to get ahead and then something breaks or something happens, and you're knocked back a couple pegs, right? The whole like, you know, six months of cash reserves or six months of savings is a really good kind of you know, basic thing that somebody should have. Right? So that if your roof leaks or whatever, your car needs a new muffler. I don't know what cars need because I drive a Tesla.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: New tablet.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yeah. You need a new tablet in your in your Tesla. You're not taking on a massive amount of credit card debt. I know a lot of older people who they don't have any cash reserves. They're doing the things where they're maybe they don't have any credit card debt, but they're putting in a 401 K. They're doing all that. They have a mortgage, but the slightest wrong thing happens and it's like their life is in, you know, catastrophe because, you know, they got into a car accident, and they need to pay a couple thousand dollars to fix their car. So, you know, kind of what I kind of did was I kind of walked the line between setting aside some cash reserves and paying off any kind of high interest debt. And then once I hit a certain point, that's when I started to invest heavily. And if I ever, you know, something business slows down or whatever, I would completely cut all investing to try to prevent me from going to my cash reserves. So save up a lot of cash. And then and then invest.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Investing should be second. It shouldn't be the primary source.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Absolutely perfect. Anything else to finish this episode of? What does this show even called anymore? Bro talk. I thought it was the Hydro Homies water talk extravaganza.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: All right. That's what we're calling it and that's what we're calling it. Episode 122-25?}

_{Dylan Ogline: I thought this was an episode 462}

_{Sunishth Chawla: 73 it is.}

_{Dylan Ogline: This is episode 73. Man. Yep. Where can people find you?}

_{Dylan Ogline: We gotta have a good ending.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Yeah, yeah, they can find me on Instagram at @sunishthchawla. I'm sure. Was it Justin?}

_{Dylan Ogline: Well, Justin's my... He does the graphics and stuff. He's not going to do the show notes or anything. Oh, okay.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Fair enough. Well, I was gonna say put it on the screen.}

_{Dylan Ogline: He can put it on the screen.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Then put it on the screen. Justin.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Justin, put it on the screen and, like, do like the birthday graphics.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That's it. Dude.}

_{Dylan Ogline: How do you spell that?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: S-U-N-I-S-H-T-H-C-H-A-W-L-A. Okay, you should know I'm now your business partner. You should know.}

_{Dylan Ogline: We're business partners now.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: If we're gonna do the hydro. Yeah. Hydro.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Homies. Hydro. Homies.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Extravagant. I can't even. Hydro.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Homies. Water view.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Water. Review. Extravaganza.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Yes. The Hydro homies, water review and extravaganza hosted by Sunny and Dylan.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: You said Sunny and Ahmed before, but...}

_{Dylan Ogline: That was you.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: That was you.}

_{Dylan Ogline: That was me?}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Roll back that footage. All right.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Everybody, welcome back to another episode of Bladder Talk with Sunny and Ahmed.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: But yeah, I think next episode, we definitely do have to do that. That water tasting, test water tasting and rank it so we can stay true to our name. And I'm sure we'll have a couple more not unpopular opinions, but things to talk about. I think that was... I think that's something that really we should really focus on because it gives multiple perspectives. People that watch our shows, I think they're looking for something that that they want to see more perspectives to.}

_{Dylan Ogline: I think our fans are very open minded. I correct myself, I think our fan is very, very open. There you.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Go. Shout out Aiden. But yeah, there's a lot of perspectives and I think us covering a few would definitely get people's minds thinking, let's get them in the right direction and get their head out of the gutter. Absolutely, man. Cheers. Cheers. It's a good show.}

_{Sunishth Chawla: Good show indeed. Oh.}

_{Dylan Ogline: Thanks, man. Yep.}